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Yeah well I am American and it's not true. The majority of us who you have been made to believe 'defend' their residing here illegally want to see them treated
by popularrecluse 8y ago
Yeah well I am American and it's not true. The majority of us who you have been made to believe 'defend' their residing here illegally want to see them treated humanely, and see sensible immigration reform and reasonable paths to citizenship for those who desire it.
I know, and have worked with plenty of people whose papers weren't in order. They are people, just like you or me. I certainly have violated the law in my life, and perhaps with less noble intentions than seeking a better life in another country.
- marcoperaza 8y ago“Papers weren’t in order” is a hell of a euphemism for crossing into the country illegally or overstaying a temporary visa that is explicitly not for migration.
- nomocrypto 8y agoYou do realize that borders are totally arbitrary and that with the stroke of a pen any of these rules could be changed, right? What makes you so convinced that we are completely powerless to change this system that we’ve created? Just repeating “it’s a crime!” over and over again is absolutely no justification for how these people are treated, and I think you know that.
- marcoperaza 8y agoIf you don’t believe a nation has the moral right to decide who to admit into itself, then we’re just operating from different axioms and will never agree.
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- sg47 8y agoIt's nice to see a Native American like yourself standing up for the country marcoperaza.
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- popularrecluse 8y agoI used that phrase very intentionally. It has historical context, which is becoming ever more relevant. We are witnessing a series of trial balloons, and they got just a little ahead of the ball on this one. Today, Mexicans. Tomorrow, dissidents.
- ginger123 8y agoWhat kind of work do you do?
- popularrecluse 8y agoI've done everything from washing dishes, waiting tables, managing 2 coffee shops, landscape work, data entry, to my current work as a mobile developer. And I know where you're going with this, and no I've never had trouble finding work when I needed it.
- ginger123 8y agoWhat if I told you the presence of undocumented immigrants might have depressed your earnings as a dishwasher. No hard feelings still? PS. I know, I am assigning a stereotypical job to an undocumented immigrant.
- popularrecluse 8y agoYou'd be right about the profile. But the thought of missed wages doesn't bother me because it was long ago, and if anything, they worked as hard, if not harder than I did. And we were friends doing the same shit work together.
- evanlivingston 8y agoThat wouldn't cause me hard feelings, as a person who has worked both as a laborer and in the service industry. If the level of my income is a function of how many other people are denied the ability to do the same job then I've got bigger concerns than my income level.
- chris_wot 8y agoWhat if I asked you for direct evidence to back your assertion?
- anigbrowl 8y agoWhat if I told you that's called the "lump of labor fallacy" and there's no empirical support for the claim?