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Are you ok if illegals immigrants move into your neighborhood and compete for your job? EDIT: Why am I being downvoted? I asked a legitimate question. If ille

Are you ok if illegals immigrants move into your neighborhood and compete for your job? EDIT: Why am I being downvoted? I asked a legitimate question. If illegal immigrants moved into your neighborhood and affected the socioeconomic status, school ratings etc of your neighborhood, how will you react? Will you advocate for the same policies you are advocating now? I have a feeling most of the people who are supporting illegal immigration don't have skin in the game. P.S. I am not stereotyping all dreamer kids, anecdotally, my wife who works in a school told me some of her best students are dreamers.

krapp 8y ago
It's not the fault of illegal immigrants that American companies are willing to hire them.
- ginger123 8y ago
  You want to let people in here illegally and once they are here you want to starve them and their kids? That is crueler than any detention. Also, it is not always corporations that are hiring people. I have a gardener who comes to my house with assistants, some people told me his assistants are undocumented. Am I supposed to racially profile people and ask for their immigration papers? Sounds racist to me. The most humane policy is to make the expectations very clear to potential illegal immigrants. If you enter this country illegally without a legitimate asylum claim we will deport you without mercy.
  - krapp 8y ago
    >You want to let people in here illegally and once they are here you want to starve them and their kids? That is crueler than any detention. My comment was a single sentence, and it wasn't about what I wanted but about what many American business sectors do. Like it or not, the US benefits greatly from illegal labor. Having a "merciless" immigration policy in a country full of immigrants and the descendents of immigrants otherwise happy to exploit illegal immigration en masse is hypocritical. >The most humane policy is to make the expectations very clear to potential illegal immigrants. No, the most humane policy is to treat people humanely, not warn them beforehand of your intent to do otherwise.
  - ionised 8y ago
    You're really grasping at straws here.
slededit 8y ago
Most of America is empty and teeming with opportunity. Source: driving across the country right now.
aoeusnth1 8y ago
Yes. Illegal immigrants contribute more to the economy than they get out of it.
- ginger123 8y ago
  What if they are taking your job. They are of course taking away someone's job.
  - krapp 8y ago
    It's not "your" job. It belongs to your employer, and they can give it to whomever they decide. Although, granted, they can't legally give it to an illegal immigrant, they can still legally not let you keep it.
  - chris_wot 8y ago
    This sort of statement is not backed up by any evidence whatsoever.
  - istjohn 8y ago
    The economy isn't zero-sum. Additional workers require additional housing, food, durable goods, entertainment, services, etc. creating additional demand for yet more workers to produce those goods and services. The economy isn't an assembly line with X number of positions to be filled. It is dynamic and growth begets growth. In fact, as birth rates decline in the first world and countries' populations age, immigration is becoming an important lever to maintain a sufficient supply of labor to fund retiree's pensions and healthcare.
  - aoeusnth1 8y ago
    The more goods and capital a society needs, the more jobs there are. If you doubled the population, there would be double the demand for nearly everything, and double the corresponding jobs.
- briantakita 8y ago
  That's true. Illegal immigrants contribute more to the human trafficking economy, the drug economy, & the sub-minimum wage work economy than they get out of it. The real beneficiaries are the oligarchs pushing the open borders agenda. Why not make their homelands better places to live instead? Why must all culture & communities be perpetually disrupted with war, economic liberalism, socialism, drugs, human trafficking? Let's fix the root issues. Most of these people would rather have good homes with intact communities where they are from. Who wants to be a refugee or an illegal immigrant? Let's be pro-human for a change, without the fake double-speak that destroys culture & families. --- Edit: Why the downvotes? Are you pro human trafficking?
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AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
If someone wants to do my job better than me for the same or less money, they're welcome to it.
- philliphaydon 8y ago
  If you went to America, legally, got a work visa etc and got a job, then lost that job to someone who sneeked in across the border or overstayed a visitor visa, you would welcome it?
  - sanderjd 8y ago
    What advantage is my employer gaining by hiring the illegal immigrant instead of continuing to employ me? Would it be that they can pay them less than minimum wage or avoid paying payroll taxes or avoid paying for mandatory benefits? If so, my problem is with my employer, not with the illegal immigrant that replaced me.
  - ionised 8y ago
    It would mean perhaps I wasn't as valuable as I convinced myself I was. I would then try to improve myself and get a job where I cannot be easily replaced by someone who likely doesn't even speak the local language.

krapp 8y ago

It's not the fault of illegal immigrants that American companies are willing to hire them.

ginger123 8y ago
You want to let people in here illegally and once they are here you want to starve them and their kids? That is crueler than any detention. Also, it is not always corporations that are hiring people. I have a gardener who comes to my house with assistants, some people told me his assistants are undocumented. Am I supposed to racially profile people and ask for their immigration papers? Sounds racist to me. The most humane policy is to make the expectations very clear to potential illegal immigrants. If you enter this country illegally without a legitimate asylum claim we will deport you without mercy.
- krapp 8y ago
  >You want to let people in here illegally and once they are here you want to starve them and their kids? That is crueler than any detention. My comment was a single sentence, and it wasn't about what I wanted but about what many American business sectors do. Like it or not, the US benefits greatly from illegal labor. Having a "merciless" immigration policy in a country full of immigrants and the descendents of immigrants otherwise happy to exploit illegal immigration en masse is hypocritical. >The most humane policy is to make the expectations very clear to potential illegal immigrants. No, the most humane policy is to treat people humanely, not warn them beforehand of your intent to do otherwise.
- ionised 8y ago
  You're really grasping at straws here.

slededit 8y ago

Most of America is empty and teeming with opportunity. Source: driving across the country right now.

aoeusnth1 8y ago

Yes. Illegal immigrants contribute more to the economy than they get out of it.

ginger123 8y ago
What if they are taking your job. They are of course taking away someone's job.
- krapp 8y ago
  It's not "your" job. It belongs to your employer, and they can give it to whomever they decide. Although, granted, they can't legally give it to an illegal immigrant, they can still legally not let you keep it.
- chris_wot 8y ago
  This sort of statement is not backed up by any evidence whatsoever.
- istjohn 8y ago
  The economy isn't zero-sum. Additional workers require additional housing, food, durable goods, entertainment, services, etc. creating additional demand for yet more workers to produce those goods and services. The economy isn't an assembly line with X number of positions to be filled. It is dynamic and growth begets growth. In fact, as birth rates decline in the first world and countries' populations age, immigration is becoming an important lever to maintain a sufficient supply of labor to fund retiree's pensions and healthcare.
- aoeusnth1 8y ago
  The more goods and capital a society needs, the more jobs there are. If you doubled the population, there would be double the demand for nearly everything, and double the corresponding jobs.
briantakita 8y ago
That's true. Illegal immigrants contribute more to the human trafficking economy, the drug economy, & the sub-minimum wage work economy than they get out of it. The real beneficiaries are the oligarchs pushing the open borders agenda. Why not make their homelands better places to live instead? Why must all culture & communities be perpetually disrupted with war, economic liberalism, socialism, drugs, human trafficking? Let's fix the root issues. Most of these people would rather have good homes with intact communities where they are from. Who wants to be a refugee or an illegal immigrant? Let's be pro-human for a change, without the fake double-speak that destroys culture & families. --- Edit: Why the downvotes? Are you pro human trafficking?

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AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago

If someone wants to do my job better than me for the same or less money, they're welcome to it.

philliphaydon 8y ago
If you went to America, legally, got a work visa etc and got a job, then lost that job to someone who sneeked in across the border or overstayed a visitor visa, you would welcome it?
- sanderjd 8y ago
  What advantage is my employer gaining by hiring the illegal immigrant instead of continuing to employ me? Would it be that they can pay them less than minimum wage or avoid paying payroll taxes or avoid paying for mandatory benefits? If so, my problem is with my employer, not with the illegal immigrant that replaced me.
- ionised 8y ago
  It would mean perhaps I wasn't as valuable as I convinced myself I was. I would then try to improve myself and get a job where I cannot be easily replaced by someone who likely doesn't even speak the local language.