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Is it really? Most people I know would probably contend that the illegal status of most of these people is due to flaws in our immigration system. They want thi

by _bohm 8y ago

Is it really? Most people I know would probably contend that the illegal status of most of these people is due to flaws in our immigration system. They want this country to be a place where from all over can come to thrive if they are so motivated. The quote engraved on the Statue of Liberty comes to mind... “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

patrickg_zill 8y ago
Which A) is not what the Statue of Liberty is about, it's about Liberty B) was added well after the statue's construction and C) is a poem, not a law of the USA. If you really knew what Emma Lazarus's (EDIT: wrong last name used at first) views were, it might give you pause... (hint: she hated Ashkenazi Jews and saw them as low-class)
- _bohm 8y ago
  I'm having a hard time grasping the point of this comment. Statues are put in place generally to commemorate the history, culture, and/or values of a people; I don't recall claiming it has any legal implications. Also, I am fairly well versed in Emma Goldman's writings, and she has said much with which I agree. The poem, however, was written by Emma Lazarus.
  - patrickg_zill 8y ago
    You're right, I confused the two last names, and corrected it. We have had some quote it as if were law, which I why I mentioned that. It isn't law, nor is it a foundational/original view of the USA dating from the Revolutionary War.
- anigbrowl 8y ago
  Although you've corrected it since, I heartily encourage HN readers to immerse themselves in the views of Emma Goldman. As for your hinting, it's BS. Emma Lazarus was Jewish herself, get involved in activism when Jews were suffering pogroms in Russia and many of them began to emigrate to New York, helped found a school for Jewish refugees and wrote numerous advocacy articles on behalf of said refugees. I'm sure you can find an example of something she said that seems cringeworthy 130 years later.
ginger123 8y ago
Are you ok if illegals immigrants move into your neighborhood and compete for your job? EDIT: Why am I being downvoted? I asked a legitimate question. If illegal immigrants moved into your neighborhood and affected the socioeconomic status, school ratings etc of your neighborhood, how will you react? Will you advocate for the same policies you are advocating now? I have a feeling most of the people who are supporting illegal immigration don't have skin in the game. P.S. I am not stereotyping all dreamer kids, anecdotally, my wife who works in a school told me some of her best students are dreamers.
- krapp 8y ago
  It's not the fault of illegal immigrants that American companies are willing to hire them.
  - ginger123 8y ago
    You want to let people in here illegally and once they are here you want to starve them and their kids? That is crueler than any detention. Also, it is not always corporations that are hiring people. I have a gardener who comes to my house with assistants, some people told me his assistants are undocumented. Am I supposed to racially profile people and ask for their immigration papers? Sounds racist to me. The most humane policy is to make the expectations very clear to potential illegal immigrants. If you enter this country illegally without a legitimate asylum claim we will deport you without mercy.
    - krapp 8y ago
      >You want to let people in here illegally and once they are here you want to starve them and their kids? That is crueler than any detention. My comment was a single sentence, and it wasn't about what I wanted but about what many American business sectors do. Like it or not, the US benefits greatly from illegal labor. Having a "merciless" immigration policy in a country full of immigrants and the descendents of immigrants otherwise happy to exploit illegal immigration en masse is hypocritical. >The most humane policy is to make the expectations very clear to potential illegal immigrants. No, the most humane policy is to treat people humanely, not warn them beforehand of your intent to do otherwise.

by _bohm 8y ago

patrickg_zill 8y ago

Which A) is not what the Statue of Liberty is about, it's about Liberty B) was added well after the statue's construction and C) is a poem, not a law of the USA. If you really knew what Emma Lazarus's (EDIT: wrong last name used at first) views were, it might give you pause... (hint: she hated Ashkenazi Jews and saw them as low-class)

_bohm 8y ago
I'm having a hard time grasping the point of this comment. Statues are put in place generally to commemorate the history, culture, and/or values of a people; I don't recall claiming it has any legal implications. Also, I am fairly well versed in Emma Goldman's writings, and she has said much with which I agree. The poem, however, was written by Emma Lazarus.
- patrickg_zill 8y ago
  You're right, I confused the two last names, and corrected it. We have had some quote it as if were law, which I why I mentioned that. It isn't law, nor is it a foundational/original view of the USA dating from the Revolutionary War.
anigbrowl 8y ago
Although you've corrected it since, I heartily encourage HN readers to immerse themselves in the views of Emma Goldman. As for your hinting, it's BS. Emma Lazarus was Jewish herself, get involved in activism when Jews were suffering pogroms in Russia and many of them began to emigrate to New York, helped found a school for Jewish refugees and wrote numerous advocacy articles on behalf of said refugees. I'm sure you can find an example of something she said that seems cringeworthy 130 years later.

ginger123 8y ago

Are you ok if illegals immigrants move into your neighborhood and compete for your job? EDIT: Why am I being downvoted? I asked a legitimate question. If illegal immigrants moved into your neighborhood and affected the socioeconomic status, school ratings etc of your neighborhood, how will you react? Will you advocate for the same policies you are advocating now? I have a feeling most of the people who are supporting illegal immigration don't have skin in the game. P.S. I am not stereotyping all dreamer kids, anecdotally, my wife who works in a school told me some of her best students are dreamers.

krapp 8y ago
It's not the fault of illegal immigrants that American companies are willing to hire them.
- ginger123 8y ago
  You want to let people in here illegally and once they are here you want to starve them and their kids? That is crueler than any detention. Also, it is not always corporations that are hiring people. I have a gardener who comes to my house with assistants, some people told me his assistants are undocumented. Am I supposed to racially profile people and ask for their immigration papers? Sounds racist to me. The most humane policy is to make the expectations very clear to potential illegal immigrants. If you enter this country illegally without a legitimate asylum claim we will deport you without mercy.
  - krapp 8y ago
    >You want to let people in here illegally and once they are here you want to starve them and their kids? That is crueler than any detention. My comment was a single sentence, and it wasn't about what I wanted but about what many American business sectors do. Like it or not, the US benefits greatly from illegal labor. Having a "merciless" immigration policy in a country full of immigrants and the descendents of immigrants otherwise happy to exploit illegal immigration en masse is hypocritical. >The most humane policy is to make the expectations very clear to potential illegal immigrants. No, the most humane policy is to treat people humanely, not warn them beforehand of your intent to do otherwise.