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Doesnt ICE answer to the President and the laws written by Congress? Is hurting ICE meant to influence the decision making of the Trump admin, and if so, how ef

Doesnt ICE answer to the President and the laws written by Congress? Is hurting ICE meant to influence the decision making of the Trump admin, and if so, how effective might this move ultimately be?

undersuit 8y ago
Many people hold the position that if you believe something is immoral you shouldn't assist it. Effectiveness of the protests be damned you're at least not part of the problem.
petee 8y ago
Its not about hurting ICE, its about being decent human beings. ICE will be ICE regardless, but Microsoft doesn't have to be complicit, and its employees don't want to be either. That said, if ICE can't find a single company to buy services from, it will reverberate up the food chain
- AckSyn 8y ago
  Decent human beings don't break serious laws and put their families in danger. There's 10 consulates where they can apply for asylum. No one has to "jump" the border.
noobermin 8y ago
People have a right to refuse service as long as there is no discrimination against protected categories I think. Also, given this is a response to current events, it's worth noting this is wholly the admin's policy, it's not something instigated by congress.
WiseWeasel 8y ago
Why frame the question in such a way? I would expect a good portion of people to not want to contribute personally to ICE activity.
rumcajz 8y ago
This is kind of orthogonal issue. Making sure that technology is used ethically. Google now has ethical charter. Hopefully, Microsoft will do something similar. Then it's Amazon's turn: https://twitter.com/amanda_m_macias/status/983807065012494336 https://twitter.com/amanda_m_macias/status/98380706501249433...
dannypgh 8y ago
I'm not sure it needs to be effective at influencing the decision making in order to be worthwhile. I think people owe it to themselves to evaluate the ethics and morality of their work, and not contribute to things they do not want to be part of. Take IBM and the Holocaust (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust) for instance. Could you imagine having written that software on your conscious? Would you be willing to write it? I wouldn't.
jimejim 8y ago
ICE really shouldn't exist in the first place. It's an unnecessary organization that is already proving it's dangerous, unorganized, and too powerful.

Doesnt ICE answer to the President and the laws written by Congress? Is hurting ICE meant to influence the decision making of the Trump admin, and if so, how effective might this move ultimately be?

undersuit 8y ago

Many people hold the position that if you believe something is immoral you shouldn't assist it. Effectiveness of the protests be damned you're at least not part of the problem.

petee 8y ago

Its not about hurting ICE, its about being decent human beings. ICE will be ICE regardless, but Microsoft doesn't have to be complicit, and its employees don't want to be either. That said, if ICE can't find a single company to buy services from, it will reverberate up the food chain

AckSyn 8y ago
Decent human beings don't break serious laws and put their families in danger. There's 10 consulates where they can apply for asylum. No one has to "jump" the border.

noobermin 8y ago

People have a right to refuse service as long as there is no discrimination against protected categories I think. Also, given this is a response to current events, it's worth noting this is wholly the admin's policy, it's not something instigated by congress.

WiseWeasel 8y ago

Why frame the question in such a way? I would expect a good portion of people to not want to contribute personally to ICE activity.

rumcajz 8y ago

This is kind of orthogonal issue. Making sure that technology is used ethically. Google now has ethical charter. Hopefully, Microsoft will do something similar. Then it's Amazon's turn: https://twitter.com/amanda_m_macias/status/983807065012494336 https://twitter.com/amanda_m_macias/status/98380706501249433...

dannypgh 8y ago

I'm not sure it needs to be effective at influencing the decision making in order to be worthwhile. I think people owe it to themselves to evaluate the ethics and morality of their work, and not contribute to things they do not want to be part of. Take IBM and the Holocaust (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust) for instance. Could you imagine having written that software on your conscious? Would you be willing to write it? I wouldn't.

jimejim 8y ago

ICE really shouldn't exist in the first place. It's an unnecessary organization that is already proving it's dangerous, unorganized, and too powerful.