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> all in the name of moral panic I think "moral panic" implies "nothing is wrong, but are all panicking anyway." Something is clearly wrong. And those pills

> all in the name of moral panic I think "moral panic" implies "nothing is wrong, but are all panicking anyway." Something is clearly wrong. And those pills are coming from somewhere. It seems like the true panic is over finding the right balance, if that's even possible.

jnbiche 8y ago
> And those pills are coming from somewhere. Not sure, but if you're suggesting these are from legal prescription pain pills, please read the article and look at CDC data. You'll note that most opiate deaths aren't from pills, but from illegal heroin, fentanyl, and carfentanyl. Pain pill prescriptions are down 40% the past 5 years, even as opiate deaths are up 40%.
- DmenshunlAnlsis 8y ago
  It’s almost like... people got hooked on pain pills pushed by Perdue and doctors, then their access was removed so they switched to “illegal heroin, fentanyl, and carfentanyl,” and started dropping dead. 40% drop on one hand and 40% rise on the other... ah reckon thar maht be a connection!
  - refurb 8y ago
    Read the article. People getting addicted to medically prescribed opiates is single digit percentage. Are their pill mills out there? Yes, and the DEA should shut them down. But should we be undertreating real pain in order to “do something” about opioid deaths? He’ll no.
    - AbrahamParangi 8y ago
      This seems to underestimate the impact of prescription pain killers on the opioid crisis. "A study of young, urban injection drug users interviewed in 2008 and 2009 found that 86 percent had used opioid pain relievers nonmedically prior to using heroin, and their initiation into nonmedical use was characterized by three main sources of opioids: family, friends, or personal prescriptions (Lankenau et al., 2012). This rate represents a shift from historical trends. Of people entering treatment for heroin addiction who began abusing opioids in the 1960s, more than 80 percent started with heroin. Of those who began abusing opioids in the 2000s, 75 percent reported that their first opioid was a prescription drug (Cicero et al., 2014)." https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/relationship-between-prescription-drug-heroin-abuse/prescription-opioid-use-risk-factor-heroin-use https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/rela...
    - tomnipotent 8y ago
      A vast majority of those that become addicted to illegal opiates start with legal opiates, and transition when access or cash becomes a problem.
      - refurb 8y ago
        Sure, drugs illegally diverted. That doesn’t mean you should be denying pain medication to people who need it.
    - ggg9990 8y ago
      People getting hooked on prescription opiates is a single digit percentage of the patients prescribed. It is a large double digit percentage of opiate overdose deaths. Thats what happens when you take something reasonably safe and overprescribe it by orders of magnitude because of criminally misleading misinformation from Purdue Pharmaceuticals.
  - jnbiche 8y ago
    You're comparing two complex, multifactorial outcomes as though they're have a direct inverse correlation. What about causality? Confounding? Multivariate analysis? Nah? You'll just assume they're causally related? By the way, I rounded off the second of those numbers from 37% to 40%. Does that change the conclusion you reached using your statistical system? If not, what would be the threshold percentage at which you would determine there to be no direct inverse relationship between the two, after all?
refurb 8y ago
Moral panic implies a fear that society is threatened by something. That something can still be bad. A moral panic is a feeling of fear spread among a large number of people that some evil threatens the well-being of society.
vkou 8y ago
Half the time, my partner can't get her Armodafinil (without which she can't stay awake enough to work) prescription auto-refilled, because of the moral panic about some techies in Silicon Valley, who don't have her medical issues, popping uppers to get 90 hours of work done in a 60 hour week.

jnbiche 8y ago

> And those pills are coming from somewhere. Not sure, but if you're suggesting these are from legal prescription pain pills, please read the article and look at CDC data. You'll note that most opiate deaths aren't from pills, but from illegal heroin, fentanyl, and carfentanyl. Pain pill prescriptions are down 40% the past 5 years, even as opiate deaths are up 40%.

DmenshunlAnlsis 8y ago
It’s almost like... people got hooked on pain pills pushed by Perdue and doctors, then their access was removed so they switched to “illegal heroin, fentanyl, and carfentanyl,” and started dropping dead. 40% drop on one hand and 40% rise on the other... ah reckon thar maht be a connection!
- refurb 8y ago
  Read the article. People getting addicted to medically prescribed opiates is single digit percentage. Are their pill mills out there? Yes, and the DEA should shut them down. But should we be undertreating real pain in order to “do something” about opioid deaths? He’ll no.
  - AbrahamParangi 8y ago
    This seems to underestimate the impact of prescription pain killers on the opioid crisis. "A study of young, urban injection drug users interviewed in 2008 and 2009 found that 86 percent had used opioid pain relievers nonmedically prior to using heroin, and their initiation into nonmedical use was characterized by three main sources of opioids: family, friends, or personal prescriptions (Lankenau et al., 2012). This rate represents a shift from historical trends. Of people entering treatment for heroin addiction who began abusing opioids in the 1960s, more than 80 percent started with heroin. Of those who began abusing opioids in the 2000s, 75 percent reported that their first opioid was a prescription drug (Cicero et al., 2014)." https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/relationship-between-prescription-drug-heroin-abuse/prescription-opioid-use-risk-factor-heroin-use https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/rela...
  - tomnipotent 8y ago
    A vast majority of those that become addicted to illegal opiates start with legal opiates, and transition when access or cash becomes a problem.
    - refurb 8y ago
      Sure, drugs illegally diverted. That doesn’t mean you should be denying pain medication to people who need it.
  - ggg9990 8y ago
    People getting hooked on prescription opiates is a single digit percentage of the patients prescribed. It is a large double digit percentage of opiate overdose deaths. Thats what happens when you take something reasonably safe and overprescribe it by orders of magnitude because of criminally misleading misinformation from Purdue Pharmaceuticals.
- jnbiche 8y ago
  You're comparing two complex, multifactorial outcomes as though they're have a direct inverse correlation. What about causality? Confounding? Multivariate analysis? Nah? You'll just assume they're causally related? By the way, I rounded off the second of those numbers from 37% to 40%. Does that change the conclusion you reached using your statistical system? If not, what would be the threshold percentage at which you would determine there to be no direct inverse relationship between the two, after all?

refurb 8y ago

Moral panic implies a fear that society is threatened by something. That something can still be bad. A moral panic is a feeling of fear spread among a large number of people that some evil threatens the well-being of society.

vkou 8y ago

Half the time, my partner can't get her Armodafinil (without which she can't stay awake enough to work) prescription auto-refilled, because of the moral panic about some techies in Silicon Valley, who don't have her medical issues, popping uppers to get 90 hours of work done in a 60 hour week.