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To Facebook, we are all just so much data. They just don't care. Who doesn't have a personal story or two about Facebook's indifference by now? Just...Delete
by XalvinX 8y ago
To Facebook, we are all just so much data. They just don't care. Who doesn't have a personal story or two about Facebook's indifference by now? Just...Delete Facebook. It is time.
- JustSomeNobody 8y agoCorporations are people only when it matters to them.
- smacktoward 8y agoIt doesn't matter if you delete Facebook, they will just maintain a "shadow profile" on you anyway. (See https://spideroak.com/articles/facebook-shadow-profiles-a-profile-of-you-that-you-never-created/ https://spideroak.com/articles/facebook-shadow-profiles-a-pr..., https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/11/facebook-shadow-profiles-hearing-lujan-zuckerberg/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/11/facebook-shadow-profiles-h..., https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/11/17225482/facebook-shadow-profiles-zuckerberg-congress-data-privacy https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/11/17225482/facebook-shadow-...) We flatter ourselves that just deleting the app will be enough to stop Facebook from tracking us. Their appetite for our data is much too voracious for that.
- andrepd 8y agoDoesn't GDPR require them to really delete?
- eurticket 8y agoFeel like it's a disgusting game of scratch our backs and we'll scratch yours with the data they both hold - spy on our people, we'll spy on yours.
- d4l3k 8y agoIf you look at the answers Facebook provided to the US Senate they say: "When the person visiting a website featuring Facebook’s tools is not a registered Facebook user, Facebook does not have information identifying that individual, and it does not create profiles for this individual. ... We do not create profiles for non-Facebook users, nor do we use browser and app logs for non-Facebook users to show targeted ads from our advertisers to them or otherwise seek to personalize the content they see. However, we may take the opportunity to show a general ad that is unrelated to the attributes of the person or an ad encouraging the non-user to sign up for Facebook." https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/facebook-social-media-privacy-and-the-use-and-abuse-of-data https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/facebook-social-me... It's conceivable that Facebook could deanonymize users/aggregate the data they get from like buttons etc, but they claim that they don't use that data for ad targeting and it's only used for security.
- abraae 8y agoNot a lawyer but I'd dig into this: > We do not create profiles for non-Facebook users What is a "profile"? Is a shadow profile a profile? Not "creating a profile" may be very different from not tracking someone.
- XalvinX 8y agoEven some of the ancient congressmen who know nothing about technology already have figured out that Zuckerburg lied to them extensively. I hope that our representatives will start to do their jobs. It has to be a crime to lie to Congress, no?
- tivert 8y ago> "When the person visiting a website featuring Facebook’s tools is not a registered Facebook user, Facebook does not have information identifying that individual, and it does not create profiles for this individual. I'm extremely skeptical of that. When I downloaded my Facebook data, there was a "contacts.html" file that contained data scraped from my phone's contact list aggregated with other contact information that I'd never seen before for people I'd never been Facebook friends with. Some people on that list have never had Facebook accounts. While I don't know if they had extra data aggregated into their entry, the fact that their data was scraped from my phone shows Facebook has the data to create a profile for them. I'm guessing their statements are only true if you read them very narrowly in a misleadingly specific way. For instance, by understanding "profile" to mean a "the Facebook Profile that comes with a Facebook account," rather than a more generic "collection of data about a person."
- amatecha 8y agoYeah, we don't create a profile, we create a _shadow user_ , it's _totally different_! ^_^
- XalvinX 8y agoOh totally, like for sure.
- XalvinX 8y agoYes, I've read all that stuff. But it is a step in the right direction. What happens if everyone does? Then who can they show ads too? They grew fast and they can shrink just as fast...it's happened before. You got AOL? Yahoo? Using Netscape much these days? Played with your Atari in the last few years? I'm sure all these companies thought it would never end...but it did. Facebook will too.
- coaxial 8y agoIt does matter. It sends a message, and it frees your mind to use a cliché. If you don't have a Facebook account anymore, it's easier to get over the dopamine addiction because you can't log into an account that you don't have anymore.
- anonytrary 8y ago> ...easier to get over the dopamine addiction because you can't log into an account that you don't have anymore. What you say is only true if you can suppress your addiction for N days without logging in. Deleting a Facebook account takes N days to "process", but everyone knows its just a manipulative policy designed to prevent people from following through with deletion. For all intents and purposes, when you try to delete your Facebook account, they basically say "Sorry, we won't let you do that until you can prove you won't use it again for N days". Logging in at any time before the Nth day will automatically abort the deletion. On top of that, there's this practice of differentiating between suspension and deletion going around, which makes proper deletion an intentionally obfuscated task. I remember deleting my Quora account to be a strangely convoluted process. There needs to be a distinction between "proper deletion" and "not even a deletion". The current account deletion feature is "not even a deletion". I hope one day "not even a deletion" is looked down upon enough to warrant change. Deletion means "proper deletion", it never meant anything else to anyone.
- icebraining 8y agoI'm a critic of FB, but to play Devil's advocate, they'd be criticized if they summarily deleted accounts too. This provides some protection against malicious deletion requests.
- caf 8y agoRight - leave your ipad on the table for a moment and your bratty little brother can irrevocably delete your facebook account? People would hit the roof.
- petre 8y agoThen pretend you're dead and request removal. Deceased people don't buy stuff so their data and purchase history is pretty much useless to advertisers.
- 734786710934 8y agoNo company cares about you, but Facebook probably cares more than other big tech companies (Google, Microsoft, etc.) if only because your feelings drive your usage of its services.
- Stratoscope 8y agoSo, what they care about is making you feel like you should use their services more?
- jimjimjim 8y agowhat? that could be said about every single company that wants to sell things to people.
- XalvinX 8y agoCustomer service is the way to people's hearts. Ultimately, Facebook and some of these other companies are using bad business practices and it has to come back and hurt them eventually.
- XalvinX 8y agoActually, you can reach actual human representatives at Microsoft. You absolutely cannot at Facebook. I don't wanna bore anyone with my most recent story but you really can't. And I was an advertising customer too, not just a regular member. They care so little that when I challenged my Paypal payment to them, trying to force a human response out of them, they let it default and I got my money back from Paypal. You gotta admit that is pretty remarkable.