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Exactly. Fasting cures diabetes as well as a host of many other "incurable" "diseases". But there is no money in fasting, so our messed up world continues to re

by aviv 8y ago

Exactly. Fasting cures diabetes as well as a host of many other "incurable" "diseases". But there is no money in fasting, so our messed up world continues to reject it as a valid solution.

Dirlewanger 8y ago
Sad that people are already downvoting you, and sad that more people don't know about other options than medication/surgery. Here's a link to Dr. Fung's article specifically on reversing type 2 diabetes (https://idmprogram.com/reverse-type-2-diabetes-the-quick-start-guide/ https://idmprogram.com/reverse-type-2-diabetes-the-quick-sta...). Keep downvoting me too, Big Pharma.
- throwaway5752 8y ago
  People are downvoting the parent to your comment because of the "a host of many other "incurable" "diseases" part. It's unsubstantiated and unspecific, and it jumps right to conspiracy theory. People are downvoting you because you are violating at least 3 site guidelines (commenting about voting, alleging astroturfing/shillage, and being civil). Particularly when you could have made a constructive argument and tried to elaborate what conditions it cured, what studies were behind it (maybe summarizing Dr. Fung's research), or other more valuable contributions.
  - JakeTyo 8y ago
    These are probably the same people who think CNN is "fake news".
- aviv 8y ago
  Big Pharma and other such entities have presence in every large online community, HN and Reddit included.
Someone1234 8y ago
Let's not go too far. The science on fasting as a diabetes treatment seems legitimate (even if early/still evolving), but claiming it cures other "incurable diseases" seems unsupported (particularly if you don't specify WHAT diseases). Weight loss in general helps combat some other illnesses like high blood pressure, and while fasting might be a means to that end (i.e. weight loss) I've not read studies that looked at if fasting is more beneficial than other forms of weight loss. Heck, even the fasting diabetes thing is very young science, I wouldn't call even that conclusive yet.
- aviv 8y ago
  You can call it what you want. I've been in the field for 20 years and have seen many hundreds of people cure so-called lifelong diseases. But sure, wait on the medical world to admit it, because they have all the incentive in the world NOT to do it if they want to keep the money flowing.
  - Someone1234 8y ago
    Call what what I want? You haven't even said what diseases... Plus I'm a little confused by your terminology, you say you've been "in the field" for 20 years but then refer to the medical world like it is a third party. Which field is that you've been in?
SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
There's actually money in exercise, and it has huge health benefits, but similarly dismal uptake rates. I wouldn't blame the illuminati just yet.
- aviv 8y ago
  Nope. There is very little money in true exercise. The profits come from unhealthy things such as protein supplements, harmful body building, gyms that promote unhealthy exercise routine, etc.
  - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
    Protein powder is just protein - it's a specialized food source. Are there bad supplements? Totally - but dodgy salad will give you salmonella. Bodybuilders actually use intermittent fasting - the unhealthy bits is the supplement abuse, but that's the sort of thing that happens with any extreme lifestyle. That's also a super limited view of the strength world. What's an "unhealthy exercise routine"? Literally anything is better than doing nothing. Is it optimal? No, but if it gets you moving it helps. Are you talking injury or things that actively make you less "healthy"? I could see an argument from injury, but I'd rather someone have a ruptured ACL now than heart disease later. I feel like we're about to enter "No True Scotsman" territory here.

by aviv 8y ago

Exactly. Fasting cures diabetes as well as a host of many other "incurable" "diseases". But there is no money in fasting, so our messed up world continues to reject it as a valid solution.

Dirlewanger 8y ago

Sad that people are already downvoting you, and sad that more people don't know about other options than medication/surgery. Here's a link to Dr. Fung's article specifically on reversing type 2 diabetes (https://idmprogram.com/reverse-type-2-diabetes-the-quick-start-guide/ https://idmprogram.com/reverse-type-2-diabetes-the-quick-sta...). Keep downvoting me too, Big Pharma.

throwaway5752 8y ago
People are downvoting the parent to your comment because of the "a host of many other "incurable" "diseases" part. It's unsubstantiated and unspecific, and it jumps right to conspiracy theory. People are downvoting you because you are violating at least 3 site guidelines (commenting about voting, alleging astroturfing/shillage, and being civil). Particularly when you could have made a constructive argument and tried to elaborate what conditions it cured, what studies were behind it (maybe summarizing Dr. Fung's research), or other more valuable contributions.
- JakeTyo 8y ago
  These are probably the same people who think CNN is "fake news".
aviv 8y ago
Big Pharma and other such entities have presence in every large online community, HN and Reddit included.

Someone1234 8y ago

Let's not go too far. The science on fasting as a diabetes treatment seems legitimate (even if early/still evolving), but claiming it cures other "incurable diseases" seems unsupported (particularly if you don't specify WHAT diseases). Weight loss in general helps combat some other illnesses like high blood pressure, and while fasting might be a means to that end (i.e. weight loss) I've not read studies that looked at if fasting is more beneficial than other forms of weight loss. Heck, even the fasting diabetes thing is very young science, I wouldn't call even that conclusive yet.

aviv 8y ago
You can call it what you want. I've been in the field for 20 years and have seen many hundreds of people cure so-called lifelong diseases. But sure, wait on the medical world to admit it, because they have all the incentive in the world NOT to do it if they want to keep the money flowing.
- Someone1234 8y ago
  Call what what I want? You haven't even said what diseases... Plus I'm a little confused by your terminology, you say you've been "in the field" for 20 years but then refer to the medical world like it is a third party. Which field is that you've been in?

SketchySeaBeast 8y ago

There's actually money in exercise, and it has huge health benefits, but similarly dismal uptake rates. I wouldn't blame the illuminati just yet.

aviv 8y ago
Nope. There is very little money in true exercise. The profits come from unhealthy things such as protein supplements, harmful body building, gyms that promote unhealthy exercise routine, etc.
- SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
  Protein powder is just protein - it's a specialized food source. Are there bad supplements? Totally - but dodgy salad will give you salmonella. Bodybuilders actually use intermittent fasting - the unhealthy bits is the supplement abuse, but that's the sort of thing that happens with any extreme lifestyle. That's also a super limited view of the strength world. What's an "unhealthy exercise routine"? Literally anything is better than doing nothing. Is it optimal? No, but if it gets you moving it helps. Are you talking injury or things that actively make you less "healthy"? I could see an argument from injury, but I'd rather someone have a ruptured ACL now than heart disease later. I feel like we're about to enter "No True Scotsman" territory here.