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> now is abusing that position Offering to host your videos for free and display ads along them hardly seems like "abusing that position"...

emilfihlman 8y ago
For free? YouTube gives Google _unparalleled_ access to what we like, how we think, what we want, ... It's the best profiling tool there is. Let's not say "for free" when we are paying a price for it already.
- ucaetano 8y ago
  Yes, for free. You can create an account and upload as many videos as you want without paying absolutely anything. Even more, without handing over any personal information. But hey, feel free to upload your videos elsewhere.
  - Erik816 8y ago
    You're giving them content they can monetize, so it's no wonder they will let you give it to them for free.
    - ucaetano 8y ago
      > You're giving them content they can monetize Well, exactly, content they can monetize.
    - jacksmith21006 8y ago
      The key word is to monetize. So no monetizing and a problem. How to recoup the cost?
  - theyinwhy 8y ago
    By uploading videos you normally provide personal information: info about the video, context and, most of the time, the video itself. By accessing videos you normally provide personal information: ip address, playlists, access history, browser fingerprint, device id,...
    - ucaetano 8y ago
      I don't think Blender is providing any personal information in the video. Not to mention that you can upload it from a burner account and device in a cafe. Oh, and you always have to option, well, not to upload it.
vorpalhex 8y ago
Blocking your videos and holding them hostage until you agree to a new contract would be abuse, yes.
- ucaetano 8y ago
  Wait, are you suggesting that it should be forced to continue to distribute your videos for free (to you) even if you don't agree to their terms of service?
  - vorpalhex 8y ago
    No, I'm suggesting that you can't change a contract (ToS) after it's been accepted without consideration. Blender already had an account and videos hosted on Youtube. Blender did not change their videos. YouTube changed their rules - and is holding Blender's videos hostage until they accept NEW terms. These aren't terms already part of Blender's contract - which is why Youtube is literally trying to force Blender to sign a new contract and refuses to execute their original ToS.
    - optimuspaul 8y ago
      It's a bit of a stretch to call it a contract I think. Terms of service may in fact be a contact, but IANAL, but calling it a contract might imply that there are things to be gained on both sides. If a contract is no longer providing value for one of the contractees then it is fair, and should be provisions for such, to renegotiate or terminate the contract. I do agree that they are abusing their position, but I don't agree that they shouldn't be allowed to act the way they are acting. Are they being unreasonable? Maybe, but it's not my, or your, place to decide that.
      - wool_gather 8y ago
        > Are they being unreasonable? Maybe, but it's not my, or your, place to decide that. Whose is it then? This is playing out in public; the public is free to opine. Some things that are free of legal consequences come with consequences in other realms, and that's perfectly okay.
cityhomesteader 8y ago
> Offering to host your videos for free For free? No. For your valuable data. You think youtube is worth over $100 billion because it's hosting your videos for free? https://www.thestreet.com/investing/youtube-might-be-worth-over-100-billion-14586599 https://www.thestreet.com/investing/youtube-might-be-worth-o...

emilfihlman 8y ago

For free? YouTube gives Google _unparalleled_ access to what we like, how we think, what we want, ... It's the best profiling tool there is. Let's not say "for free" when we are paying a price for it already.

ucaetano 8y ago
Yes, for free. You can create an account and upload as many videos as you want without paying absolutely anything. Even more, without handing over any personal information. But hey, feel free to upload your videos elsewhere.
- Erik816 8y ago
  You're giving them content they can monetize, so it's no wonder they will let you give it to them for free.
  - ucaetano 8y ago
    > You're giving them content they can monetize Well, exactly, content they can monetize.
  - jacksmith21006 8y ago
    The key word is to monetize. So no monetizing and a problem. How to recoup the cost?
- theyinwhy 8y ago
  By uploading videos you normally provide personal information: info about the video, context and, most of the time, the video itself. By accessing videos you normally provide personal information: ip address, playlists, access history, browser fingerprint, device id,...
  - ucaetano 8y ago
    I don't think Blender is providing any personal information in the video. Not to mention that you can upload it from a burner account and device in a cafe. Oh, and you always have to option, well, not to upload it.

vorpalhex 8y ago

Blocking your videos and holding them hostage until you agree to a new contract would be abuse, yes.

ucaetano 8y ago
Wait, are you suggesting that it should be forced to continue to distribute your videos for free (to you) even if you don't agree to their terms of service?
- vorpalhex 8y ago
  No, I'm suggesting that you can't change a contract (ToS) after it's been accepted without consideration. Blender already had an account and videos hosted on Youtube. Blender did not change their videos. YouTube changed their rules - and is holding Blender's videos hostage until they accept NEW terms. These aren't terms already part of Blender's contract - which is why Youtube is literally trying to force Blender to sign a new contract and refuses to execute their original ToS.
  - optimuspaul 8y ago
    It's a bit of a stretch to call it a contract I think. Terms of service may in fact be a contact, but IANAL, but calling it a contract might imply that there are things to be gained on both sides. If a contract is no longer providing value for one of the contractees then it is fair, and should be provisions for such, to renegotiate or terminate the contract. I do agree that they are abusing their position, but I don't agree that they shouldn't be allowed to act the way they are acting. Are they being unreasonable? Maybe, but it's not my, or your, place to decide that.
    - wool_gather 8y ago
      > Are they being unreasonable? Maybe, but it's not my, or your, place to decide that. Whose is it then? This is playing out in public; the public is free to opine. Some things that are free of legal consequences come with consequences in other realms, and that's perfectly okay.

cityhomesteader 8y ago

> Offering to host your videos for free For free? No. For your valuable data. You think youtube is worth over $100 billion because it's hosting your videos for free? https://www.thestreet.com/investing/youtube-might-be-worth-over-100-billion-14586599 https://www.thestreet.com/investing/youtube-might-be-worth-o...