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BSD is free to adopt the GPL at their leisure. Who knows, companies might then start contributing to the project instead of building OS's on top of it, looking

BSD is free to adopt the GPL at their leisure. Who knows, companies might then start contributing to the project instead of building OS's on top of it, looking at you osx.

parvenu74 8y ago
GPL supporters are all about freedom -- until someone advocates for the freedom to make a proprietary product on top of the open source base.
- cozzyd 8y ago
  Yes... that is the point.
  - parvenu74 8y ago
    Oh I forgot -- at HN you never question the GPL. And FreeBSD sux because it's not GPL. Got it. I'll stop wasting my time even mentioning it again.
    - jhasse 8y ago
      You didn't question the GPL, you just explained how it works.
- bonzini 8y ago
  More specifically it's about freedom for all users, transitively.
  - ComputerGuru 8y ago
    Except for developers who wish to use GPL code without it virally requiring them to relicense everything under GPL, that freedom does not exist.
    - bonzini 8y ago
      The key word is transitively. Those developers can do everything except depriving their users of freedoms originally granted by the copyright holder.
- zeth___ 8y ago
  The freedom to enslave others is not a freedom that one protects. I believe there was a little thing called the civil war where that point was made.
  - 2trill2spill 8y ago
    > The freedom to enslave others is not a freedom that one protects. I believe there was a little thing called the civil war where that point was made. Allowing people to make proprietary code from BSD licensed code is not enslavement. Also if someone improperly used GPL licensed software to make proprietary software it would be breach of contract or copyright infringement not enslavement.
    - zeth___ 8y ago
      It is. You allow your code to be used in the subjugation of others.
      - 2trill2spill 8y ago
        Using code that I BSD license is not the subjugation of others.
        zeth___ 8y ago
        If you used it to create proprietary code it is.
        2trill2spill 8y ago
        Using BSD licensed software to create proprietary code is not subjugation, in fact creating proprietary software from BSD code is perfectly within the license. If someone doesn't want their code used in proprietary work they would release it under a more restrictive license. Lastly you should probably look up the definition of subjugation before tossing it around liberally in conversation.
    - 8y ago
- x220 8y ago
  It's about freedom for the users and developers.
- belorn 8y ago
  GPL supporters are all about liberty, and like we all know, liberty does not give everyone freedom to do everything that they wish.
riffraff 8y ago
the OSX core/kernel (XNU+darwin) has actually been open source for a long time. The interesting bits of the userspace (cocoa, carbon or whatever) were not BSD derivative.

BSD is free to adopt the GPL at their leisure. Who knows, companies might then start contributing to the project instead of building OS's on top of it, looking at you osx.

parvenu74 8y ago

GPL supporters are all about freedom -- until someone advocates for the freedom to make a proprietary product on top of the open source base.

cozzyd 8y ago
Yes... that is the point.
- parvenu74 8y ago
  Oh I forgot -- at HN you never question the GPL. And FreeBSD sux because it's not GPL. Got it. I'll stop wasting my time even mentioning it again.
  - jhasse 8y ago
    You didn't question the GPL, you just explained how it works.
bonzini 8y ago
More specifically it's about freedom for all users, transitively.
- ComputerGuru 8y ago
  Except for developers who wish to use GPL code without it virally requiring them to relicense everything under GPL, that freedom does not exist.
  - bonzini 8y ago
    The key word is transitively. Those developers can do everything except depriving their users of freedoms originally granted by the copyright holder.
zeth___ 8y ago
The freedom to enslave others is not a freedom that one protects. I believe there was a little thing called the civil war where that point was made.
- 2trill2spill 8y ago
  > The freedom to enslave others is not a freedom that one protects. I believe there was a little thing called the civil war where that point was made. Allowing people to make proprietary code from BSD licensed code is not enslavement. Also if someone improperly used GPL licensed software to make proprietary software it would be breach of contract or copyright infringement not enslavement.
  - zeth___ 8y ago
    It is. You allow your code to be used in the subjugation of others.
    - 2trill2spill 8y ago
      Using code that I BSD license is not the subjugation of others.
      - zeth___ 8y ago
        If you used it to create proprietary code it is.
        2trill2spill 8y ago
        Using BSD licensed software to create proprietary code is not subjugation, in fact creating proprietary software from BSD code is perfectly within the license. If someone doesn't want their code used in proprietary work they would release it under a more restrictive license. Lastly you should probably look up the definition of subjugation before tossing it around liberally in conversation.
  - 8y ago
x220 8y ago
It's about freedom for the users and developers.
belorn 8y ago
GPL supporters are all about liberty, and like we all know, liberty does not give everyone freedom to do everything that they wish.

riffraff 8y ago

the OSX core/kernel (XNU+darwin) has actually been open source for a long time. The interesting bits of the userspace (cocoa, carbon or whatever) were not BSD derivative.