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I don't think anybody is fighting against helping their fellow man. What they are angry about is having the big guns of government pointed at their heads while

I don't think anybody is fighting against helping their fellow man. What they are angry about is having the big guns of government pointed at their heads while the rewards of their labor are siphoned away under the guise of charity. Once you help someone at another person's expense, you've crossed the border between charity and extortion.

AlexandrB 8y ago
> Once you help someone at another person's expense, you've crossed the border between charity and extortion. You're talking about the subsidies for electric cars, right?
- innocentoldguy 8y ago
  I do not understand how you arrived at that conclusion. Could you explain? I think my point is simple and clear. If you choose to help the poor at your own expense, it is charity. If you want to help the poor at my expense, it is extortion. People don't mind the first. They mind very much the second. That's it. That is the entirety of my point. There are no hidden layers to peel back. No need to downvote me for being against electric cars. I own one myself.
  - AlexandrB 8y ago
    Yeah, choosing to help the poor - like Tesla. I see you made that choice, but why should I as a taxpayer have to foot the bill as well? Edit: Oh sorry, I realized you might be referring to helping the poor banks during the 2008 financial crisis. Well, I don't want to pay for that either.
    - innocentoldguy 8y ago
      sigh. You seem to want to read into what I said more than is there, and to have an argument that is entirely unrelated to anything I've ever said throughout the entirety of my 50+ years on this planet. That being the case, you'll have to find another opponent of your political angst to argue with. I simply have no interest.
      - AlexandrB 8y ago
        I think you misunderstood. I'm violently agreeing with you! I don't think we should have our property confiscated by the force of the government to support these poor corporations. They're not living, breathing people after all.
        innocentoldguy 8y ago
        Yes. I did misunderstand your meaning.
CaptainZapp 8y ago
"What they are angry about is having the big guns of government pointed at their heads while the rewards of their labor are siphoned away under the guise of charity." Health insurance, to keep that example rolling, has nothing to do with charity. It has all to do with the pooling of risks.

AlexandrB 8y ago

> Once you help someone at another person's expense, you've crossed the border between charity and extortion. You're talking about the subsidies for electric cars, right?

innocentoldguy 8y ago
I do not understand how you arrived at that conclusion. Could you explain? I think my point is simple and clear. If you choose to help the poor at your own expense, it is charity. If you want to help the poor at my expense, it is extortion. People don't mind the first. They mind very much the second. That's it. That is the entirety of my point. There are no hidden layers to peel back. No need to downvote me for being against electric cars. I own one myself.
- AlexandrB 8y ago
  Yeah, choosing to help the poor - like Tesla. I see you made that choice, but why should I as a taxpayer have to foot the bill as well? Edit: Oh sorry, I realized you might be referring to helping the poor banks during the 2008 financial crisis. Well, I don't want to pay for that either.
  - innocentoldguy 8y ago
    sigh. You seem to want to read into what I said more than is there, and to have an argument that is entirely unrelated to anything I've ever said throughout the entirety of my 50+ years on this planet. That being the case, you'll have to find another opponent of your political angst to argue with. I simply have no interest.
    - AlexandrB 8y ago
      I think you misunderstood. I'm violently agreeing with you! I don't think we should have our property confiscated by the force of the government to support these poor corporations. They're not living, breathing people after all.
      - innocentoldguy 8y ago
        Yes. I did misunderstand your meaning.

CaptainZapp 8y ago

"What they are angry about is having the big guns of government pointed at their heads while the rewards of their labor are siphoned away under the guise of charity." Health insurance, to keep that example rolling, has nothing to do with charity. It has all to do with the pooling of risks.