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Well, at least in the European waters fish are recovering beyond expectation.

dotancohen 8y ago
Europeans now sail to Somalia to fish. They are doing terrific damage there, and the local human and animal populations there are suffering food shortages as a result.
- Pica_soO 8y ago
  Somalis dont eat fish. So yes, here it is a tradition that prefers starvation to using "poor mans" food. https://www.somalispot.com/threads/why-do-somalis-hate-fish-so-much.41520/ https://www.somalispot.com/threads/why-do-somalis-hate-fish-...
  - Pica_soO 8y ago
    In retrospect should have gone into depth here. There are fish dishes, traditional ones in coastal towns. But as the cooling chain is often none-existant, the parts of the country more far away from the coast only eat canned fish or salt-fish. Its general either to expensive, or in danger of being rotten. So if you have a surplus of cattle/sheep/goat, anyone would prefer steak to the health hazard. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiHvrbu7N_bAhUjGZoKHd3-ANgQFgg3MAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fsnau.org%2Fdownloads%2FKAP-Study-Fish-Consumption-in-Somalia.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2kivcwI2HOsUK3kSVHzhYW https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c... (Page 5) >wealthy groups in all the areas opt for fresh fish with soft texture contrary to the poor such as those in Afgoye and Adale who consume fish with rough texture and smell because they cost less than other types of fish. Common low quality fish mostly consumed by the poor are Gacoore (Alestes affinis) and Koronto or electric fish in Afgoye. Some respondents in Bardera and Shinile in Hiran admitted dislike for fish due to associated smell therefore do not consume it at all. The quality of fish consumed also depends on preservation and storage methods employed. Generally, the preservation and storage techniques are poor thus most of the fish is consumed immediately after buying. Poor preservation methods and facilities are very often the cause of spoilage.
- pas 8y ago
  Could you elaborate on this please?
  - jackvalentine 8y ago
    Somalian pirates are the result of international fishing fleets depleting the fish in the area giving the local fishermen few other options. (It’s more complicated than that, but so is everything)
    - pas 8y ago
      Sorry, but that explains nothing for me. OP said: Europeans now sail to Somalia to fish. Why would Europeans go so South into the Gulf of Arden? Why would Norwegian fishers go South? What's going on? Where's the data? What are the incentives? Does Somalia have fishing quotas? Is there any anti-overfishing agreement system for that region?
      - jackvalentine 8y ago
        Oh you want someone to explain something specific about European nations motivations? I suggest that you then be more specific with your own request. http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1892376,00.html http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1892376,00... > Ever since a civil war brought down Somalia's last functional government in 1991, the country's 3,330 km (2,000 miles) of coastline — the longest in continental Africa — has been pillaged by foreign vessels. A United Nations report in 2006 said that, in the absence of the country's at one time serviceable coastguard, Somali waters have become the site of an international "free for all," with fishing fleets from around the world illegally plundering Somali stocks and freezing out the country's own rudimentarily-equipped fishermen. > High-seas trawlers from countries as far flung as South Korea, Japan and Spain have operated down the Somali coast, often illegally and without licenses, for the better part of two decades, the U.N. says. They do it because there were a lot of fish there and no functional government to stop them or enforce quotas.
        8y ago
titzer 8y ago
Select fish species. The cycle of bust/boom inevitably leaves many species behind. Ecosystems are often very finely balanced and the loss of biodiversity is an inevitable result of this. Who knows how much was lost in each cycle; we really don't know.

Europeans now sail to Somalia to fish. They are doing terrific damage there, and the local human and animal populations there are suffering food shortages as a result.

Pica_soO 8y ago
Somalis dont eat fish. So yes, here it is a tradition that prefers starvation to using "poor mans" food. https://www.somalispot.com/threads/why-do-somalis-hate-fish-so-much.41520/ https://www.somalispot.com/threads/why-do-somalis-hate-fish-...
- Pica_soO 8y ago
  In retrospect should have gone into depth here. There are fish dishes, traditional ones in coastal towns. But as the cooling chain is often none-existant, the parts of the country more far away from the coast only eat canned fish or salt-fish. Its general either to expensive, or in danger of being rotten. So if you have a surplus of cattle/sheep/goat, anyone would prefer steak to the health hazard. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiHvrbu7N_bAhUjGZoKHd3-ANgQFgg3MAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fsnau.org%2Fdownloads%2FKAP-Study-Fish-Consumption-in-Somalia.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2kivcwI2HOsUK3kSVHzhYW https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c... (Page 5) >wealthy groups in all the areas opt for fresh fish with soft texture contrary to the poor such as those in Afgoye and Adale who consume fish with rough texture and smell because they cost less than other types of fish. Common low quality fish mostly consumed by the poor are Gacoore (Alestes affinis) and Koronto or electric fish in Afgoye. Some respondents in Bardera and Shinile in Hiran admitted dislike for fish due to associated smell therefore do not consume it at all. The quality of fish consumed also depends on preservation and storage methods employed. Generally, the preservation and storage techniques are poor thus most of the fish is consumed immediately after buying. Poor preservation methods and facilities are very often the cause of spoilage.
pas 8y ago
Could you elaborate on this please?
- jackvalentine 8y ago
  Somalian pirates are the result of international fishing fleets depleting the fish in the area giving the local fishermen few other options. (It’s more complicated than that, but so is everything)
  - pas 8y ago
    Sorry, but that explains nothing for me. OP said: Europeans now sail to Somalia to fish. Why would Europeans go so South into the Gulf of Arden? Why would Norwegian fishers go South? What's going on? Where's the data? What are the incentives? Does Somalia have fishing quotas? Is there any anti-overfishing agreement system for that region?
    - jackvalentine 8y ago
      Oh you want someone to explain something specific about European nations motivations? I suggest that you then be more specific with your own request. http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1892376,00.html http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1892376,00... > Ever since a civil war brought down Somalia's last functional government in 1991, the country's 3,330 km (2,000 miles) of coastline — the longest in continental Africa — has been pillaged by foreign vessels. A United Nations report in 2006 said that, in the absence of the country's at one time serviceable coastguard, Somali waters have become the site of an international "free for all," with fishing fleets from around the world illegally plundering Somali stocks and freezing out the country's own rudimentarily-equipped fishermen. > High-seas trawlers from countries as far flung as South Korea, Japan and Spain have operated down the Somali coast, often illegally and without licenses, for the better part of two decades, the U.N. says. They do it because there were a lot of fish there and no functional government to stop them or enforce quotas.
      - 8y ago

titzer 8y ago

Select fish species. The cycle of bust/boom inevitably leaves many species behind. Ecosystems are often very finely balanced and the loss of biodiversity is an inevitable result of this. Who knows how much was lost in each cycle; we really don't know.