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So true, yet we largely agree that the broadest shoulders should beat the largest load... ie. progressive taxes. We should do more of that to fight poverty, as

by jopsen 8y ago

So true, yet we largely agree that the broadest shoulders should beat the largest load... ie. progressive taxes. We should do more of that to fight poverty, as that will hopefully mitigate things like this.

gepi79 8y ago
Thanks. I agree that we should have the morality to defend Human Rights and to not tolerate poverty. Unfortunately no state in the world respects the Human Rights for its citizens. http://www.un.org/en/sections/issues-depth/human-rights/ http://www.un.org/en/sections/issues-depth/human-rights/ IMO not progressive taxes but progressive economics and progressive politics should be implemented. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2X_Ywepzm46_uGJDfRjYeQ/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2X_Ywepzm46_uGJDfRjYeQ/vid... IMO in a perfect world, there would be no tax and no debt but a moral government that distributes money as needed to private persons and not to banks by the central bank and by bailout programs. E.g. https://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/#648e0e8626b0 https://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the...
- TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
  Perfect worlds are, probably, the worst of all possible outcomes. It is unfortunate that how the world is conducted at any point in time is largely a result of the choices of those with the most power to bring about their desires. So it has always been and so shall it always be.
  - nickthemagicman 8y ago
    > It is unfortunate that how the world is conducted at any point in time is largely a result of the choices of those with the most power to bring about their desires. This is scary but true. Why are human beings so primitive?
    - jopsen 8y ago
      Could it at the same time be, that the less wealthy people are getting more influencial? Certainly, democracy have made this happen... Certainly, media have made politicians more accountable... So while sure it might look bleak on a scale of 10-15 years, I would argue we are better off than in the 70ties :)
TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
I’d argue: the problem with progressive taxes is ... ok, the problem with taxes as a means of wealth transfer is it puts the money in the hands of politicians, who are themselves already wealthy, to spend on behalf of their drinking buddies. I don’t believe these problems are solvable in the strict sense, but they are fun to critique.
- jacobush 8y ago
  Sometimes you just have to fight even though you expect to lose. Edit: spelling.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
    Very true! We’ve had some great wins over the ages. As a stereotypically apathetic Australian: those who can be bothered fighting the good fight certainly have my supportive clicks!
  - JetSpiegel 8y ago
    *lose Who am I kidding, I simply gave up on getting people to know the difference between "loose" and "lose".

by jopsen 8y ago

gepi79 8y ago

Thanks. I agree that we should have the morality to defend Human Rights and to not tolerate poverty. Unfortunately no state in the world respects the Human Rights for its citizens. http://www.un.org/en/sections/issues-depth/human-rights/ http://www.un.org/en/sections/issues-depth/human-rights/ IMO not progressive taxes but progressive economics and progressive politics should be implemented. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2X_Ywepzm46_uGJDfRjYeQ/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2X_Ywepzm46_uGJDfRjYeQ/vid... IMO in a perfect world, there would be no tax and no debt but a moral government that distributes money as needed to private persons and not to banks by the central bank and by bailout programs. E.g. https://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/#648e0e8626b0 https://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the...

TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
Perfect worlds are, probably, the worst of all possible outcomes. It is unfortunate that how the world is conducted at any point in time is largely a result of the choices of those with the most power to bring about their desires. So it has always been and so shall it always be.
- nickthemagicman 8y ago
  > It is unfortunate that how the world is conducted at any point in time is largely a result of the choices of those with the most power to bring about their desires. This is scary but true. Why are human beings so primitive?
  - jopsen 8y ago
    Could it at the same time be, that the less wealthy people are getting more influencial? Certainly, democracy have made this happen... Certainly, media have made politicians more accountable... So while sure it might look bleak on a scale of 10-15 years, I would argue we are better off than in the 70ties :)

TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago

I’d argue: the problem with progressive taxes is ... ok, the problem with taxes as a means of wealth transfer is it puts the money in the hands of politicians, who are themselves already wealthy, to spend on behalf of their drinking buddies. I don’t believe these problems are solvable in the strict sense, but they are fun to critique.

jacobush 8y ago
Sometimes you just have to fight even though you expect to lose. Edit: spelling.
- TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
  Very true! We’ve had some great wins over the ages. As a stereotypically apathetic Australian: those who can be bothered fighting the good fight certainly have my supportive clicks!
- JetSpiegel 8y ago
  *lose Who am I kidding, I simply gave up on getting people to know the difference between "loose" and "lose".