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>I suggest you learn something about history. >you are a US citizen and you clearly know very little Yet, you've said very little outside of hand-waving about

>I suggest you learn something about history. >you are a US citizen and you clearly know very little Yet, you've said very little outside of hand-waving about how evil America is and co-signing to deep-state conspiracy theories that plainly make no sense to even the casual observer. But, you love your country, right? If you really understood history, then you'd know that invoking it is not on the side of the arguments you're making. You've then gone on to offer a near child-like version of the world wherein the U.S. operates in a magical vacuum and liberal democracy is some guaranteed default mode that simply exists, irrespective of what the rest of the world does. We simply withdraw from the global world stage and the world order just remains as-is, right? Or perhaps you have a problem with the current world order? And, once the space begins to shrink for the ideal of liberal democracy, how does America fare? OTOH, I can think of some nations that will fare quite well. Can you? If, so, what affect has the amplification of their ideologies across the world vs those of the U.S.? >People like yourself who think that any of our serious problems are caused by foreign actors are truly delusional and the reason that our country is in such bad shape This is just mind-numbing and I don't really know where to start. Let's just keep it simple and say that both categories of things can represent really, really big problems that require our attention. No one is claiming that America is perfect. We have miles to go and no right-thinking American agrees with everything we have ever done. But, those who love our country understand that it is the ideals that we must protect and perfect. Yet, here you are suggesting that we must instead decide between addressing, say, a.) wealth disparity in our country and b.) allowing our democracy to be undermined by hostile adversaries while reducing our global footprint to our own borders. Please keep your MAGA-style faux uber-nationalism that rests on an infantile view of the way the world works and feigns patriotism, while it surreptitiously promotes the interests of other nations above our own. You see, your comments reveal that either you have been brainwashed and understand well what you are promoting; or you have absolutely no idea what you're on about and you're utterly lacking in the historical context and logical capacity required to reason about it. So, just know that any thinking person can see this quite clearly, "Stanislov".

StanislavPetrov 8y ago
>Yet, you've said very little outside of hand-waving about how evil America is and co-signing to deep-state conspiracy theories that plainly make no sense to even the casual observer. But, you love your country, right? There is no conspiracy about the century+ of imperialism that we have been engaged in. Nobody with even a passing understanding of history disputes this. At least honest imperialists like David Frum and Max Boot don't embarass themselves with an utter ignorance of history - just an utter lack of morality. >You've then gone on to offer a near child-like version of the world in which the U.S. operates in a magical vacuum wherein liberal democracy is some guaranteed default mode that simply exists irrespective of what the rest of the world does. We simply withdraw from the global world stage and the world order just remains as-is, right? Or perhaps you have a problem with the current world order? Everyone informed and intelligent who cares about morality, international law, and the well-being of the people of the United States and the world has a massive problem with the current world order. >And, once the space begins to shrink for the ideal of liberal democracy, how does America fare? Nobody who knows anything about history would ever consider suggesting that the United States has supported, or supports now, the idea of "liberal democracy". From Egypt to Saudi Arabian to Uzbekistan to countless dictatorships in Africa, to right-wing juntas in Central and South America, we support, and have supported, the most vile dictators alive. From Saddam Hussein to Pinochet, from Guatemala to El Salvador to Honduras to Columbia, the list goes on. Then we can go on to our most recent destruction of Iraq, Libya, and Yemen and our support of Islamic terrorists in Syria to support our "allies" and client states that prop up our global military empire. Unfortunately your astounding ignorance of history and current events is the standard for people here, which is why the corporate agents of the DC/CIA media establishment have no problem installing all kinds of nonsense in your head. Anyone can see your worldview quite clearly - its the worldview imprinted on the minds of the ignorant by the propagandists who unfortunately run our society. Its easy to fill an empty vessel with platitudes about "liberal democracy" if people don't understand our actual history of overthrowing democratically elected governments around the world, both overtly and covertly, for a century. In an effort to alleviate a tiny portion of your ignorance, I point you to the person who inspired me to take this handle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov
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StanislavPetrov 8y ago

>Yet, you've said very little outside of hand-waving about how evil America is and co-signing to deep-state conspiracy theories that plainly make no sense to even the casual observer. But, you love your country, right? There is no conspiracy about the century+ of imperialism that we have been engaged in. Nobody with even a passing understanding of history disputes this. At least honest imperialists like David Frum and Max Boot don't embarass themselves with an utter ignorance of history - just an utter lack of morality. >You've then gone on to offer a near child-like version of the world in which the U.S. operates in a magical vacuum wherein liberal democracy is some guaranteed default mode that simply exists irrespective of what the rest of the world does. We simply withdraw from the global world stage and the world order just remains as-is, right? Or perhaps you have a problem with the current world order? Everyone informed and intelligent who cares about morality, international law, and the well-being of the people of the United States and the world has a massive problem with the current world order. >And, once the space begins to shrink for the ideal of liberal democracy, how does America fare? Nobody who knows anything about history would ever consider suggesting that the United States has supported, or supports now, the idea of "liberal democracy". From Egypt to Saudi Arabian to Uzbekistan to countless dictatorships in Africa, to right-wing juntas in Central and South America, we support, and have supported, the most vile dictators alive. From Saddam Hussein to Pinochet, from Guatemala to El Salvador to Honduras to Columbia, the list goes on. Then we can go on to our most recent destruction of Iraq, Libya, and Yemen and our support of Islamic terrorists in Syria to support our "allies" and client states that prop up our global military empire. Unfortunately your astounding ignorance of history and current events is the standard for people here, which is why the corporate agents of the DC/CIA media establishment have no problem installing all kinds of nonsense in your head. Anyone can see your worldview quite clearly - its the worldview imprinted on the minds of the ignorant by the propagandists who unfortunately run our society. Its easy to fill an empty vessel with platitudes about "liberal democracy" if people don't understand our actual history of overthrowing democratically elected governments around the world, both overtly and covertly, for a century. In an effort to alleviate a tiny portion of your ignorance, I point you to the person who inspired me to take this handle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov

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