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There are far more people aligned against him, so it's easy for him to feel defensive. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if there was something bad going on wit

There are far more people aligned against him, so it's easy for him to feel defensive. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if there was something bad going on with their finances, but I'd ALSO easily believe that there are actors very very actively working against him and Tesla. Google and Apple can grow without restraint because until they were massive they didn't affect anyone, Tesla from day 1 flew against the grain and is upsetting hundreds of thousands of jobs from corporations to unions. His company matters if it succeeds and anyone with common sense can easily imagine a mole.

TimTheTinker 8y ago
> Google and Apple can grow without restraint because until they were massive they didn't affect anyone Microsoft in particular lost an entire industry and way of doing business, partly (or maybe mostly) because of Apple and Google. It was only about 5 years ago that the “us vs them” mindset started to dissipate.
- TangoTrotFox 8y ago
  I don't think the comparison there is entirely apt. Microsoft was really killed off by the cycle rate of desktops radically decreasing as even decade old machines started to be good enough for everything except for extremely high performance usage like gaming, and mobile starting to advance enough to work as an alternative computing platform for many purposes. For direct competition in what was their bread and butter (desktop OS) - even Apple is still completely negligible. Musk's competition against the automotive and space industry companies has been very direct, and his competition against the petrol industry has been at most with one degree of separation. And like others have said, there is a huge short position against Tesla that has cost people an immense amount of money, but also stands to make them an immense amount of money if Tesla tanks.
King-Aaron 8y ago
> there are actors very very actively working against him and Tesla Remember when Top Gear joined in on the public-image sabotage? http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/12536/remember-when-top-gear-and-tesla-clashed-over-the-roadster http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/12536/remember-when-top-g...

TimTheTinker 8y ago

> Google and Apple can grow without restraint because until they were massive they didn't affect anyone Microsoft in particular lost an entire industry and way of doing business, partly (or maybe mostly) because of Apple and Google. It was only about 5 years ago that the “us vs them” mindset started to dissipate.

TangoTrotFox 8y ago
I don't think the comparison there is entirely apt. Microsoft was really killed off by the cycle rate of desktops radically decreasing as even decade old machines started to be good enough for everything except for extremely high performance usage like gaming, and mobile starting to advance enough to work as an alternative computing platform for many purposes. For direct competition in what was their bread and butter (desktop OS) - even Apple is still completely negligible. Musk's competition against the automotive and space industry companies has been very direct, and his competition against the petrol industry has been at most with one degree of separation. And like others have said, there is a huge short position against Tesla that has cost people an immense amount of money, but also stands to make them an immense amount of money if Tesla tanks.

King-Aaron 8y ago

> there are actors very very actively working against him and Tesla Remember when Top Gear joined in on the public-image sabotage? http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/12536/remember-when-top-gear-and-tesla-clashed-over-the-roadster http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/12536/remember-when-top-g...