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For a huckster he’s doing a damn good job of fake shipping fake cars to fake customers who fake drive them in fake public. Excellent scam, would invest again.

jethro_tell 8y ago
There's a huge difference between shipping a product and doing it profitably.
- icantdrive55 8y ago
  Like the rest, he will eventually move manufacturing overseas, and all will be happy. If I had the money, I would be happy just to be on the waiting list. It's got to be a good feeling you're waiting/driving to a American made vechicle? A vechicle that payed the help(blue collar workers) a living wage? Or, close to a living wage? I'm a Musk fanboy I guess?
- berbec 8y ago
  You should tell Bezos that.
  - gamblor956 8y ago
    Bezos can and does ship products profitably across multiple, disparate markets. He simply reinvests the company's overall profits from each of Amazon's business lines into new business ventures.
  - maxerickson 8y ago
    Email sent!
neotek 8y ago
Don't be so disingenuous. Nobody is claiming the cars don't exist, the point is that Musk continuously makes insane, overreaching predictions that almost never come to pass, like the ludicrous "three months maybe, six months definitely" fully autonomous driving nonsense, or promises that Model 3 production will be on track for x units per month when the actual numbers are half that, and so on. This is so typical of any discussion about Musk - anyone who dares point out that he often just makes things up is met with derision from True Believers who are unable to accept that he isn't the superhero his PR team make him out to be.
- meva 8y ago
  So he's guilty of too optimistic estimations. Who isn't?
- mmjaa 8y ago
  You seem too easily persuaded that Elon Musk is a con man. Have you taken into account the massive empire he has already built - if he were truly as nefarious as you seem to imply, its hardly likely that he would've been able to effectively build rockets that land themselves, cars that drive themselves, alternatives to the oil-addiction we're all suffering under, etc. I mean, put some balance in your argument: What has Musk done right, in your opinion? Anything at all?
  - dotancohen 8y ago
    > I mean, put some balance in your argument: What has Musk done right, in your opinion? Anything at all? The roads go without saying.
  - neotek 8y ago
    Buying, or investing in, existing companies and then using his marketing skills to convince other investors (and governments) to pour billions of dollars into them is hardly the same thing as "building rockets that land themselves" - you can thank the engineers and visionaries at SpaceX for that. And his cars absolutely do not drive themselves despite his constant reassurances that they'll be able to do so Real Soon Now™. In fact, as an aside, I would argue that Tesla's marketing is disgustingly misleading - their website loudly proclaims that all Teslas are equipped with every piece of hardware necessary for fully autonomous self-driving, and in a much smaller, much quieter voice they subtly admit that none of their cars are capable of actually doing that yet. You may handwave that away as marketing fluff, but if you asked the average person in the street whether Teslas can drive themselves, 90% of them would say yes, of course they can, when in reality they're merely on par with other makes and models that have had the exact same driver assist features for years. It's misleading at best, and lethal at worst - lives have been lost because drivers blindly placed their faith in autonomous driving features that simply do not work as implied. Go ahead and chalk that up to the drivers not being attentive enough, of course they share the bulk of the blame for not being in control of the vehicle they're driving, but it's hardly a surprise that many Tesla drivers have been lulled into a false sense of security by Tesla's marketing. But again, nobody is arguing that Musk is running a straight up scam or that the products don't exist, the criticism is that he is constantly making promises and predictions he can't fulfil, constantly making claims that sound impressive until you look beneath the veneer, and whenever he is challenged to back up his assertions he either messily dodges the question or launches into yet another Twitter rant, and all the while his fans eagerly accept whatever he says without any care for objective reality.

jethro_tell 8y ago

There's a huge difference between shipping a product and doing it profitably.

icantdrive55 8y ago
Like the rest, he will eventually move manufacturing overseas, and all will be happy. If I had the money, I would be happy just to be on the waiting list. It's got to be a good feeling you're waiting/driving to a American made vechicle? A vechicle that payed the help(blue collar workers) a living wage? Or, close to a living wage? I'm a Musk fanboy I guess?
berbec 8y ago
You should tell Bezos that.
- gamblor956 8y ago
  Bezos can and does ship products profitably across multiple, disparate markets. He simply reinvests the company's overall profits from each of Amazon's business lines into new business ventures.
- maxerickson 8y ago
  Email sent!

neotek 8y ago

Don't be so disingenuous. Nobody is claiming the cars don't exist, the point is that Musk continuously makes insane, overreaching predictions that almost never come to pass, like the ludicrous "three months maybe, six months definitely" fully autonomous driving nonsense, or promises that Model 3 production will be on track for x units per month when the actual numbers are half that, and so on. This is so typical of any discussion about Musk - anyone who dares point out that he often just makes things up is met with derision from True Believers who are unable to accept that he isn't the superhero his PR team make him out to be.

meva 8y ago
So he's guilty of too optimistic estimations. Who isn't?
mmjaa 8y ago
You seem too easily persuaded that Elon Musk is a con man. Have you taken into account the massive empire he has already built - if he were truly as nefarious as you seem to imply, its hardly likely that he would've been able to effectively build rockets that land themselves, cars that drive themselves, alternatives to the oil-addiction we're all suffering under, etc. I mean, put some balance in your argument: What has Musk done right, in your opinion? Anything at all?
- dotancohen 8y ago
  > I mean, put some balance in your argument: What has Musk done right, in your opinion? Anything at all? The roads go without saying.
- neotek 8y ago
  Buying, or investing in, existing companies and then using his marketing skills to convince other investors (and governments) to pour billions of dollars into them is hardly the same thing as "building rockets that land themselves" - you can thank the engineers and visionaries at SpaceX for that. And his cars absolutely do not drive themselves despite his constant reassurances that they'll be able to do so Real Soon Now™. In fact, as an aside, I would argue that Tesla's marketing is disgustingly misleading - their website loudly proclaims that all Teslas are equipped with every piece of hardware necessary for fully autonomous self-driving, and in a much smaller, much quieter voice they subtly admit that none of their cars are capable of actually doing that yet. You may handwave that away as marketing fluff, but if you asked the average person in the street whether Teslas can drive themselves, 90% of them would say yes, of course they can, when in reality they're merely on par with other makes and models that have had the exact same driver assist features for years. It's misleading at best, and lethal at worst - lives have been lost because drivers blindly placed their faith in autonomous driving features that simply do not work as implied. Go ahead and chalk that up to the drivers not being attentive enough, of course they share the bulk of the blame for not being in control of the vehicle they're driving, but it's hardly a surprise that many Tesla drivers have been lulled into a false sense of security by Tesla's marketing. But again, nobody is arguing that Musk is running a straight up scam or that the products don't exist, the criticism is that he is constantly making promises and predictions he can't fulfil, constantly making claims that sound impressive until you look beneath the veneer, and whenever he is challenged to back up his assertions he either messily dodges the question or launches into yet another Twitter rant, and all the while his fans eagerly accept whatever he says without any care for objective reality.