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News flash! Achieving great things is hard and everybody makes some mistakes along the way. On the way, they meet jokers who take great pride in laughing at the

News flash! Achieving great things is hard and everybody makes some mistakes along the way. On the way, they meet jokers who take great pride in laughing at their mistakes, because, let's be real, jokers are sore losers. Deep down they know they can't do 1% of that shit, and so yeah, let's lift a leg and piss on that fucker. That will show him!

yasp 8y ago
Being founder / CEO of one industry disruptive company would be fine. Risky proposition under anyone's helm, yes, but Musk is a great salesman so he would stand a better chance than most of probably pulling it off. But no fewer than FOUR (Tesla, SpaceX, Boring Co, SolarCity (technically under Tesla's umbrella but for all intents and purposes its own business)), it starts to strain credulity.
- abc_lisper 8y ago
  Landing two rockets at the same time also strains credulity. Using it as defense Is failure of imagination
Fricken 8y ago
A few mistakes along the way? He's fucking delusional, and mostly works hard taking credit for the work of other people, and for other people's money (you don't get to be a billionaire any other way). He peddles a greenwashed variant of your run of the mill rocket age fantasy that engineering types get all teary eyed about. And hey, If you like accusing people of obeying Godwin's law, now's your big chance, because I'm about to quote Mein Kampf: >All this was inspired by the principle — which is quite true in itself — that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. >It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. >For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes. If any of this upsets you, it's because you bought the big lie. People who care about sustainable transport ride bicycles.
- durkie 8y ago
  I think you should reconsider your thoughts about this a bit. There is a genuine revolution underway being enabled by plummeting costs of producing lithium-ion batteries at scale. Whether or not Tesla will lead it (or even continue be part of it) is certainly up for debate, but large, real things are happening and saying "everyone ride a bike!" is ignoring a reality that isn't tainted by feelings about Tesla/Elon.
  - legolas2412 8y ago
    > There is a genuine revolution underway being enabled by plummeting costs of producing lithium-ion batteries at scale. I guess that is another story he sells. Why are Samsung and LG also able to make cheap batteries, even though they don't have a gigafactory? Too much hype. Tesla doesn't even make battery cells, they buy them off panasonic.
    - durkie 8y ago
      One of the nuances that gets lost when talking about battery costs is the difference between cell-level (individual 18650 / 2170 li-ion cells) costs and pack-level (the assembled collection of thousands of those cells) costs. Both costs are expressed as $/kilowatt-hour but comparing them is comparing apples to apple pie. Samsung, LG and Panasonic specialize in producing individual cells and don't do a lot of EV pack-level assembly. I think LG does pack assembly for the Chevy Bolt, but that car isn't produced in very large quantities and has a stated cell cost of $145/kwh. There are hints that Tesla can producing entire packs at a comparable cost/kwh, if not less.
  - Fricken 8y ago
    There isn't a revolution underway. Everyone switching to an electric personal automoblie won't save us from anything. We'll just be destroying the planet at a marginally slower rate. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
    - durkie 8y ago
hendzen 8y ago
There is a middle ground here. He's achieved some great things for sure. No doubt about that. He's also playing fast and loose with the finances of his companies - and since they are all intertwined through various debts, any one of them faltering could be catastrophic for all of them.
- geezerjay 8y ago
  I would also add that it seems that some of his business ventures are anchored on their ability to oversell the feasibility of a central idea and subsequently manage lowering the client and the public's expectations. The Boring Company is a prime example.

yasp 8y ago

Being founder / CEO of one industry disruptive company would be fine. Risky proposition under anyone's helm, yes, but Musk is a great salesman so he would stand a better chance than most of probably pulling it off. But no fewer than FOUR (Tesla, SpaceX, Boring Co, SolarCity (technically under Tesla's umbrella but for all intents and purposes its own business)), it starts to strain credulity.

abc_lisper 8y ago
Landing two rockets at the same time also strains credulity. Using it as defense Is failure of imagination

Fricken 8y ago

A few mistakes along the way? He's fucking delusional, and mostly works hard taking credit for the work of other people, and for other people's money (you don't get to be a billionaire any other way). He peddles a greenwashed variant of your run of the mill rocket age fantasy that engineering types get all teary eyed about. And hey, If you like accusing people of obeying Godwin's law, now's your big chance, because I'm about to quote Mein Kampf: >All this was inspired by the principle — which is quite true in itself — that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. >It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. >For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes. If any of this upsets you, it's because you bought the big lie. People who care about sustainable transport ride bicycles.

durkie 8y ago
I think you should reconsider your thoughts about this a bit. There is a genuine revolution underway being enabled by plummeting costs of producing lithium-ion batteries at scale. Whether or not Tesla will lead it (or even continue be part of it) is certainly up for debate, but large, real things are happening and saying "everyone ride a bike!" is ignoring a reality that isn't tainted by feelings about Tesla/Elon.
- legolas2412 8y ago
  > There is a genuine revolution underway being enabled by plummeting costs of producing lithium-ion batteries at scale. I guess that is another story he sells. Why are Samsung and LG also able to make cheap batteries, even though they don't have a gigafactory? Too much hype. Tesla doesn't even make battery cells, they buy them off panasonic.
  - durkie 8y ago
    One of the nuances that gets lost when talking about battery costs is the difference between cell-level (individual 18650 / 2170 li-ion cells) costs and pack-level (the assembled collection of thousands of those cells) costs. Both costs are expressed as $/kilowatt-hour but comparing them is comparing apples to apple pie. Samsung, LG and Panasonic specialize in producing individual cells and don't do a lot of EV pack-level assembly. I think LG does pack assembly for the Chevy Bolt, but that car isn't produced in very large quantities and has a stated cell cost of $145/kwh. There are hints that Tesla can producing entire packs at a comparable cost/kwh, if not less.
- Fricken 8y ago
  There isn't a revolution underway. Everyone switching to an electric personal automoblie won't save us from anything. We'll just be destroying the planet at a marginally slower rate. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
  - durkie 8y ago

hendzen 8y ago

There is a middle ground here. He's achieved some great things for sure. No doubt about that. He's also playing fast and loose with the finances of his companies - and since they are all intertwined through various debts, any one of them faltering could be catastrophic for all of them.

geezerjay 8y ago
I would also add that it seems that some of his business ventures are anchored on their ability to oversell the feasibility of a central idea and subsequently manage lowering the client and the public's expectations. The Boring Company is a prime example.