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Do you really think H1B workers waiting in a 20-year queue for a Green Card are really scared off by ICEs actions at the border? If anything it's reaffirming th

by ng12 8y ago

Do you really think H1B workers waiting in a 20-year queue for a Green Card are really scared off by ICEs actions at the border? If anything it's reaffirming the importance of obtaining citizenship legally.

mikeash 8y ago
Do you really think any brown person in the US who has been paying any attention is not worried about getting improperly deported by ICE? Again, they’ve deported actual citizens before.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  This is an incredibly racist thing to say. Many "brown people" worked hard to come into this country legally and actively oppose illegal immigration. No one I know who legally immigrated to the US is worried at all about being deported, that's just FUD.
  - mikeash 8y ago
    It’s not racist to point out the systematic racism of a federal agency. Or do you think ICE is deporting white citizens? My friend’s wife finally got her citizenship because of all this nonsense. My wife (though not brown) is seriously considering it as well. There are many others. At this point, opposing ICE is not about being in favor of illegal immigration, it’s about being against an abusive government agency. Edit: to anyone doubting that ICE is racist, I propose an experiment. Leaving all of your identification at home (perfectly legal), ride the bus to, say, Nogales, AZ and then back home. Now go ask a hispanic-looking US citizen friend to join you on this journey and see what they say.
    - malvosenior 8y ago
      What is racist is classifying all “brown people” together and speaking for Hispanics. You should stop doing that.
      - mikeash 8y ago
        I’m not the one doing the classifying. But of course, in 2018, targeting and abusing people based on their looks or ancestry is considered “not racism,” while calling out people who do it is classified as “racism.”
  - ergothus 8y ago
    Not FUD to those to whom it happened. Can you clarify your arguments? To say that some/many immigrants oppose illegal immigration says nothing about whether power and profiling is abused, and your 3rd hand anecdote over legal immigrants having no fear of misidentification from a (I think we'd agree) provenly overburdened system does not do much convincing. It is quite possible and even reasonable to have a goal and hate/fear the methods that some use to achieve those ends.
  - s2g 8y ago
    It's not racist at all, it's the reality of the situation. I don't worry about it that much. I'm much more worried that would end up arrested and held without trial for however long ice feels like it only to be deported. The deported part is not that big a deal, since I'm from Canada. The idea that any small fuckup on my part could turn into months of hell because the US federal government doesn't really consider me a person, that scares me.

by ng12 8y ago

mikeash 8y ago

Do you really think any brown person in the US who has been paying any attention is not worried about getting improperly deported by ICE? Again, they’ve deported actual citizens before.

malvosenior 8y ago
This is an incredibly racist thing to say. Many "brown people" worked hard to come into this country legally and actively oppose illegal immigration. No one I know who legally immigrated to the US is worried at all about being deported, that's just FUD.
- mikeash 8y ago
  It’s not racist to point out the systematic racism of a federal agency. Or do you think ICE is deporting white citizens? My friend’s wife finally got her citizenship because of all this nonsense. My wife (though not brown) is seriously considering it as well. There are many others. At this point, opposing ICE is not about being in favor of illegal immigration, it’s about being against an abusive government agency. Edit: to anyone doubting that ICE is racist, I propose an experiment. Leaving all of your identification at home (perfectly legal), ride the bus to, say, Nogales, AZ and then back home. Now go ask a hispanic-looking US citizen friend to join you on this journey and see what they say.
  - malvosenior 8y ago
    What is racist is classifying all “brown people” together and speaking for Hispanics. You should stop doing that.
    - mikeash 8y ago
      I’m not the one doing the classifying. But of course, in 2018, targeting and abusing people based on their looks or ancestry is considered “not racism,” while calling out people who do it is classified as “racism.”
- ergothus 8y ago
  Not FUD to those to whom it happened. Can you clarify your arguments? To say that some/many immigrants oppose illegal immigration says nothing about whether power and profiling is abused, and your 3rd hand anecdote over legal immigrants having no fear of misidentification from a (I think we'd agree) provenly overburdened system does not do much convincing. It is quite possible and even reasonable to have a goal and hate/fear the methods that some use to achieve those ends.
- s2g 8y ago
  It's not racist at all, it's the reality of the situation. I don't worry about it that much. I'm much more worried that would end up arrested and held without trial for however long ice feels like it only to be deported. The deported part is not that big a deal, since I'm from Canada. The idea that any small fuckup on my part could turn into months of hell because the US federal government doesn't really consider me a person, that scares me.