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You must not have paid attention in history class. When the colonies, primarily the US, started doing better than the old European countries ... what happened ?

You must not have paid attention in history class. When the colonies, primarily the US, started doing better than the old European countries ... what happened ? And yes, immigrants in the US beat quite a few traditional industries at their own game, under rules set by people trying to sabotage them. Well done, right ? So what happened ... Peace, love and prosperity ? Or something else ?

coldtea 8y ago
>When the colonies, primarily the US, started doing better than the old European countries ... what happened? Nothing much. There were 2 world wars that finished the old European countries, and the US took over the warmongering world leader game, and the colonialism (as neo-colonialism this time). >And yes, immigrants in the US beat quite a few traditional industries at their own game, under rules set by people trying to sabotage them. Not sure what you mean. Immigrants that succeeded in the US still played by US rules and laws. In fact most any immigrant that succeeded was totally Americanized - ending up like those "trying to sabotage them". Did you see any huge story where immigrants changed the underlying culture, ethics, etc?
- candiodari 8y ago
  What I mean is early US history. When the colonies' industries started growing and outperforming the home industries, the governments of Europe started systematically sabotaging the American (then not-quite-yet-American of course) businesses, eventually using the police and even army to use direct violence against them. Incumbents really don't react well to upstarts even just performing decently.
  - mistermann 8y ago
    That's what's so interesting about modern times, both the leaders of incumbent countries as well as the citizens seem not only not worried about threats from rising countries, but in many cases determined to defend and assist them in their endeavor to dethrone the current incumbents. I wonder if history has ever seen anything like this before, at least on such a widespread scale.

coldtea 8y ago

>When the colonies, primarily the US, started doing better than the old European countries ... what happened? Nothing much. There were 2 world wars that finished the old European countries, and the US took over the warmongering world leader game, and the colonialism (as neo-colonialism this time). >And yes, immigrants in the US beat quite a few traditional industries at their own game, under rules set by people trying to sabotage them. Not sure what you mean. Immigrants that succeeded in the US still played by US rules and laws. In fact most any immigrant that succeeded was totally Americanized - ending up like those "trying to sabotage them". Did you see any huge story where immigrants changed the underlying culture, ethics, etc?

candiodari 8y ago
What I mean is early US history. When the colonies' industries started growing and outperforming the home industries, the governments of Europe started systematically sabotaging the American (then not-quite-yet-American of course) businesses, eventually using the police and even army to use direct violence against them. Incumbents really don't react well to upstarts even just performing decently.
- mistermann 8y ago
  That's what's so interesting about modern times, both the leaders of incumbent countries as well as the citizens seem not only not worried about threats from rising countries, but in many cases determined to defend and assist them in their endeavor to dethrone the current incumbents. I wonder if history has ever seen anything like this before, at least on such a widespread scale.