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Yep, Amazon Launching Their Own App Store For Android Too

25 points by davidedicillo 16y ago

foobarbazetc 16y ago
The rules are some of the most developer-unfriendly I've ever read, far surpassing Apple in pretty much every way possible. This will fail miserably.
- shib71 16y ago
  It's not as simple as that. Amazon offers developers at least two things even Apple can't: 1) a vast, vast pool of consumers (vast), and 2) a network of recommendations, referrals, and reviews, honed over years for the single purpose of finding the consumer something they will buy. There is a reason Walmart is still a must-have retailer, in spite of the demands they place on wholesalers.
  - Zev 16y ago
    1. The iTunes Store is pretty big by now. 2. Apple's Genius recommendations suggests that they are, at the very least, toying with this concept as well.
  - foobarbazetc 16y ago
    iTunes has like 180M+ users with credit cards and 1-click buying integrated into every iOS device, so I'm not seeing how Amazon can compete in any way with a store that'll only be accessible via something people have to install. Plus, iTunes is international -- anyone can run a US-only store. http://slideme.org/ http://slideme.org/ is more impressive, IMHO.
- petervandijck 16y ago
  Amazon understands developers (see aws) and buyers (see amazon) much better than google. They have a good shot at this.
  - jonhendry 16y ago
    The way they've handled their kindle apps API developer program suggests otherwise.
  - shpxnvz 16y ago
    However, I know from personal experience that they treat their sellers (see seller central) terribly. I've personally witnessed arbitrary changes in listing policies (a couple of years ago they started banning all low volume sellers from offering toys during the christmas season), horrible database issues (on two separate occasions a year apart over six hundred items have just disappeared from a single seller account with no warning or explanation), and really poor customer service. I am curious to see if they will treat app vendors in the same way.
  - foobarbazetc 16y ago
    Just because one part of Amazon seems developer friendly, doesn't mean they all are. Those "rules" are all about treating developers like crap. Which is fine, but I won't be going near this thing with a 20ft pole.
mithaler 16y ago
This is exactly what Android needs. Many of the enduring criticisms of Android I've seen are pointed at the Market. No matter how much merit those criticisms may have--inadequate policing, malware, weak categorization, whatever--separate distribution channels are exactly what's missing from the mobile app ecosystem, forcing distributors to compete, learn from each other and improve. I'm excited to finally see Android's strengths being taken advantage of. The fact that Amazon can do this and still have a thriving platform to target speaks to its strength. And hey, if it fails, someone else can try again and maybe do better.
- jonursenbach 16y ago
  You don't think that this is going to further fragmentation of the OS?
  - Setsuna 16y ago
    Separate distribution channels have nothing to do with OS fragmentation.
- tomjen3 16y ago
  This is exactly what Android doesn't need. If I wanted to suffer draconian policies, I would develop for IOS and make a lot more money. Remember the most successful platform from a deployment perspective had a motto: "developers, developers, developers".
  - mithaler 16y ago
    You're contradicting yourself. Assuming you're defining "successful" as "making money", you're simultaneously claiming that the iOS App Store is too draconian for developers to succeed, and that it's more successful. Furthermore, I haven't seen evidence that the two issues--stringency of policy towards developers and potential for financial success--are correlated.
    - tomjen3 16y ago
barrydahlberg 16y ago
Another US only market I can't participate in. We are supposed to be mobile developers who can work anywhere in the world... Apple have me because of this.
- patd 16y ago
  I would have loved to see them sell apps in other parts of the world as well. After a couple of years, there is still no Kindle store for anything else than English.
aepstein 16y ago
This app store fragmentation is going to be bad for both devs and consumers. In the near future, there is likely to be at least 3 separate marketplaces (Google, Amazon, Verizon), with certain apps only appearing in certain app stores on certain carrier networks. Want the Skype app? Oh, that's only available in the Verizon store over the Verizon network. Want some other specific app? Oh, that's only on the Amazon store, which Verizon may or may not allow you to install in the first place.
- fauigerzigerk 16y ago
  We, as creators of digital goods, should not be in favor of someone monopolising our distribution channel. Competition is good.
ww520 16y ago
I'm still waiting on the carrier-billing charged app store.
- e1ven 16y ago
  Isn't that basically the idea behind the Verizon Android Store? http://www.androidguys.com/2010/09/22/verizon-android-store/ http://www.androidguys.com/2010/09/22/verizon-android-store/
  - ww520 16y ago
    Yes, that and I've heard hint from T-Mobile about an app store in the work. The best would be a unified app store where the carriers only do the billing instead of each carrier having their own store.
kreek 16y ago
Now the cat's out of the bag I can share what I know. Most of this work is happening in Amazon's new Irvine, CA location (A2Z Development Center, Inc.). It started up about three months ago and I believe they're still looking for developers if anyone's interested (be prepared to work crazy hours!). http://www.indeed.com/q-Amazon.com-l-Irvine,-CA-jobs.html http://www.indeed.com/q-Amazon.com-l-Irvine,-CA-jobs.html
- deleted 16y ago
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bradhe 16y ago
Please, for the love of god: No. More. App. Stores. While an app store is an effective distribution channel N app stores is not -- especially if they all have different regulations, processes, fees, and philosophies.

25 points by davidedicillo 16y ago

The rules are some of the most developer-unfriendly I've ever read, far surpassing Apple in pretty much every way possible. This will fail miserably.

shib71 16y ago
It's not as simple as that. Amazon offers developers at least two things even Apple can't: 1) a vast, vast pool of consumers (vast), and 2) a network of recommendations, referrals, and reviews, honed over years for the single purpose of finding the consumer something they will buy. There is a reason Walmart is still a must-have retailer, in spite of the demands they place on wholesalers.
- Zev 16y ago
  1. The iTunes Store is pretty big by now. 2. Apple's Genius recommendations suggests that they are, at the very least, toying with this concept as well.
- foobarbazetc 16y ago
  iTunes has like 180M+ users with credit cards and 1-click buying integrated into every iOS device, so I'm not seeing how Amazon can compete in any way with a store that'll only be accessible via something people have to install. Plus, iTunes is international -- anyone can run a US-only store. http://slideme.org/ http://slideme.org/ is more impressive, IMHO.
petervandijck 16y ago
Amazon understands developers (see aws) and buyers (see amazon) much better than google. They have a good shot at this.
- jonhendry 16y ago
  The way they've handled their kindle apps API developer program suggests otherwise.
- shpxnvz 16y ago
  However, I know from personal experience that they treat their sellers (see seller central) terribly. I've personally witnessed arbitrary changes in listing policies (a couple of years ago they started banning all low volume sellers from offering toys during the christmas season), horrible database issues (on two separate occasions a year apart over six hundred items have just disappeared from a single seller account with no warning or explanation), and really poor customer service. I am curious to see if they will treat app vendors in the same way.
- foobarbazetc 16y ago
  Just because one part of Amazon seems developer friendly, doesn't mean they all are. Those "rules" are all about treating developers like crap. Which is fine, but I won't be going near this thing with a 20ft pole.

mithaler 16y ago

This is exactly what Android needs. Many of the enduring criticisms of Android I've seen are pointed at the Market. No matter how much merit those criticisms may have--inadequate policing, malware, weak categorization, whatever--separate distribution channels are exactly what's missing from the mobile app ecosystem, forcing distributors to compete, learn from each other and improve. I'm excited to finally see Android's strengths being taken advantage of. The fact that Amazon can do this and still have a thriving platform to target speaks to its strength. And hey, if it fails, someone else can try again and maybe do better.

jonursenbach 16y ago
You don't think that this is going to further fragmentation of the OS?
- Setsuna 16y ago
  Separate distribution channels have nothing to do with OS fragmentation.
tomjen3 16y ago
This is exactly what Android doesn't need. If I wanted to suffer draconian policies, I would develop for IOS and make a lot more money. Remember the most successful platform from a deployment perspective had a motto: "developers, developers, developers".
- mithaler 16y ago
  You're contradicting yourself. Assuming you're defining "successful" as "making money", you're simultaneously claiming that the iOS App Store is too draconian for developers to succeed, and that it's more successful. Furthermore, I haven't seen evidence that the two issues--stringency of policy towards developers and potential for financial success--are correlated.
  - tomjen3 16y ago

barrydahlberg 16y ago

Another US only market I can't participate in. We are supposed to be mobile developers who can work anywhere in the world... Apple have me because of this.

patd 16y ago
I would have loved to see them sell apps in other parts of the world as well. After a couple of years, there is still no Kindle store for anything else than English.

aepstein 16y ago

This app store fragmentation is going to be bad for both devs and consumers. In the near future, there is likely to be at least 3 separate marketplaces (Google, Amazon, Verizon), with certain apps only appearing in certain app stores on certain carrier networks. Want the Skype app? Oh, that's only available in the Verizon store over the Verizon network. Want some other specific app? Oh, that's only on the Amazon store, which Verizon may or may not allow you to install in the first place.

fauigerzigerk 16y ago
We, as creators of digital goods, should not be in favor of someone monopolising our distribution channel. Competition is good.

ww520 16y ago

I'm still waiting on the carrier-billing charged app store.

e1ven 16y ago
Isn't that basically the idea behind the Verizon Android Store? http://www.androidguys.com/2010/09/22/verizon-android-store/ http://www.androidguys.com/2010/09/22/verizon-android-store/
- ww520 16y ago
  Yes, that and I've heard hint from T-Mobile about an app store in the work. The best would be a unified app store where the carriers only do the billing instead of each carrier having their own store.

kreek 16y ago

Now the cat's out of the bag I can share what I know. Most of this work is happening in Amazon's new Irvine, CA location (A2Z Development Center, Inc.). It started up about three months ago and I believe they're still looking for developers if anyone's interested (be prepared to work crazy hours!). http://www.indeed.com/q-Amazon.com-l-Irvine,-CA-jobs.html http://www.indeed.com/q-Amazon.com-l-Irvine,-CA-jobs.html

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bradhe 16y ago

Please, for the love of god: No. More. App. Stores. While an app store is an effective distribution channel N app stores is not -- especially if they all have different regulations, processes, fees, and philosophies.