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So this technology is probably currently in use to help massive human rights violations go better for the people perpetrating them.

malvosenior 8y ago
It's not a "human right" to illegally enter a country. I happen to be pro-open borders, but understand the opposing side's view.
- s73v3r_ 8y ago
  It is, however, a massive human rights violation to separate children and parents like that. Regardless of what the opposing side believes regarding entering the country, that action is simply barbaric.
  - malvosenior 8y ago
    Incorrect. If a parent commits murder, do we imprision the child with them? No. People are breaking the law and their families are being separated because of it. This is squarely on the people breaking the law, not the people enforcing it.
    - s73v3r_ 8y ago
      "Incorrect. If a parent commits murder, do we imprision the child with them? No." I cannot take a single thing you say seriously now that you are comparing murder to people fleeing from danger and trying to give their children a better life. You are supporting a needlessly cruel policy, and what's worse, you are hiding that, trying to justify it by saying that its the law, when there is exactly no law whatsoever that forces this action.
      - malvosenior 8y ago
        So you think we should lock up the children of criminals when the criminal is arrested? That's all this is about. People are breaking the law, getting caught and being detained. No amount of hyperbole is going to help your case with people that aren't already deeply immersed in your philosophy. I wish you could objectively hear what your argument sounds like to someone who's neutral on this issue.
        s73v3r_ 8y ago
        "So you think we should lock up the children of criminals when the criminal is arrested?" And this is why I can't take you seriously; you are very clearly not arguing in good faith. "I wish you could objectively hear what your argument sounds like to someone who's neutral on this issue." You are very clearly not neutral on this issue. And quite frankly, I don't want to meet someone who's "neutral" on the idea of separating children from their parents, and locking them up.
        malvosenior 8y ago
        Illegal immigration is illegal. If you do it you are literally a criminal. How is that not arguing in good faith? > I don't want to meet someone who's "neutral" on the idea of separating children from their parents, and locking them up. You meet people that support the law and legal immigration (but not illegal) all of the time. Most people hold this opinion.
        s73v3r_ 8y ago
        Because this is affecting those who show up to apply for asylum as well. That is not illegal. Not to mention that crossing the border is a misdemeanor. Comparing that to something like murder is not discussing in good faith. "You meet people that support the law and legal immigration (but not illegal) all of the time. Most people hold this opinion." Again, there is no law whatsoever that states that the government must separate children from parents at the border. Not a single one. And I choose not to associate with people who would support such a barbaric and inhumane practice. They may hold whatever opinions they wish on the subject of immigration, but once they issue support for these inhumane practices, I lose all respect for them and their positions.

malvosenior 8y ago

It's not a "human right" to illegally enter a country. I happen to be pro-open borders, but understand the opposing side's view.

s73v3r_ 8y ago
It is, however, a massive human rights violation to separate children and parents like that. Regardless of what the opposing side believes regarding entering the country, that action is simply barbaric.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  Incorrect. If a parent commits murder, do we imprision the child with them? No. People are breaking the law and their families are being separated because of it. This is squarely on the people breaking the law, not the people enforcing it.
  - s73v3r_ 8y ago
    "Incorrect. If a parent commits murder, do we imprision the child with them? No." I cannot take a single thing you say seriously now that you are comparing murder to people fleeing from danger and trying to give their children a better life. You are supporting a needlessly cruel policy, and what's worse, you are hiding that, trying to justify it by saying that its the law, when there is exactly no law whatsoever that forces this action.
    - malvosenior 8y ago
      So you think we should lock up the children of criminals when the criminal is arrested? That's all this is about. People are breaking the law, getting caught and being detained. No amount of hyperbole is going to help your case with people that aren't already deeply immersed in your philosophy. I wish you could objectively hear what your argument sounds like to someone who's neutral on this issue.
      - s73v3r_ 8y ago
        "So you think we should lock up the children of criminals when the criminal is arrested?" And this is why I can't take you seriously; you are very clearly not arguing in good faith. "I wish you could objectively hear what your argument sounds like to someone who's neutral on this issue." You are very clearly not neutral on this issue. And quite frankly, I don't want to meet someone who's "neutral" on the idea of separating children from their parents, and locking them up.
        malvosenior 8y ago
        Illegal immigration is illegal. If you do it you are literally a criminal. How is that not arguing in good faith? > I don't want to meet someone who's "neutral" on the idea of separating children from their parents, and locking them up. You meet people that support the law and legal immigration (but not illegal) all of the time. Most people hold this opinion.
        s73v3r_ 8y ago
        Because this is affecting those who show up to apply for asylum as well. That is not illegal. Not to mention that crossing the border is a misdemeanor. Comparing that to something like murder is not discussing in good faith. "You meet people that support the law and legal immigration (but not illegal) all of the time. Most people hold this opinion." Again, there is no law whatsoever that states that the government must separate children from parents at the border. Not a single one. And I choose not to associate with people who would support such a barbaric and inhumane practice. They may hold whatever opinions they wish on the subject of immigration, but once they issue support for these inhumane practices, I lose all respect for them and their positions.