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This seems like the absolute worst time for anyone to be touting the amount of help they're giving to a federal agency, especially one that is ripping children

This seems like the absolute worst time for anyone to be touting the amount of help they're giving to a federal agency, especially one that is ripping children away from their parents.

garettmd 8y ago
Well, to be fair, the linked post was published in January, well before any of the kid-snatching articles were in the news.
- smcl 8y ago
  I only just saw the date too, though to be fair ICE have been nasty for quite a while now
- code_duck 8y ago
  So this technology is probably currently in use to help massive human rights violations go better for the people perpetrating them.
  - malvosenior 8y ago
    It's not a "human right" to illegally enter a country. I happen to be pro-open borders, but understand the opposing side's view.
    - s73v3r_ 8y ago
      It is, however, a massive human rights violation to separate children and parents like that. Regardless of what the opposing side believes regarding entering the country, that action is simply barbaric.
      - malvosenior 8y ago
        Incorrect. If a parent commits murder, do we imprision the child with them? No. People are breaking the law and their families are being separated because of it. This is squarely on the people breaking the law, not the people enforcing it.
        s73v3r_ 8y ago
        "Incorrect. If a parent commits murder, do we imprision the child with them? No." I cannot take a single thing you say seriously now that you are comparing murder to people fleeing from danger and trying to give their children a better life. You are supporting a needlessly cruel policy, and what's worse, you are hiding that, trying to justify it by saying that its the law, when there is exactly no law whatsoever that forces this action.
        malvosenior 8y ago
        So you think we should lock up the children of criminals when the criminal is arrested? That's all this is about. People are breaking the law, getting caught and being detained. No amount of hyperbole is going to help your case with people that aren't already deeply immersed in your philosophy. I wish you could objectively hear what your argument sounds like to someone who's neutral on this issue.
        s73v3r_ 8y ago
        "So you think we should lock up the children of criminals when the criminal is arrested?" And this is why I can't take you seriously; you are very clearly not arguing in good faith. "I wish you could objectively hear what your argument sounds like to someone who's neutral on this issue." You are very clearly not neutral on this issue. And quite frankly, I don't want to meet someone who's "neutral" on the idea of separating children from their parents, and locking them up.
        malvosenior 8y ago
        Illegal immigration is illegal. If you do it you are literally a criminal. How is that not arguing in good faith? > I don't want to meet someone who's "neutral" on the idea of separating children from their parents, and locking them up. You meet people that support the law and legal immigration (but not illegal) all of the time. Most people hold this opinion.
- s73v3r_ 8y ago
  That's fair. I guess I'm used to things being posted to be fairly recent unless otherwise called out in the title.
Arzh 8y ago
It's from six months ago, it is being posted now in an effort to cause people to over react. There are a lot of problems with government of all levels siloing their data so even though I don't agree with ICE I also don't see this as a problem.
joering2 8y ago
IBM thrived during world war 2 providing Hitler with computer classification mainframes for prisoners. The book title I forgot made even asumption that classification, processing and extermination of “prisoners of war” at such huge scale as Hitler did would not be possible without IBM. Today, some 70 years later, I doubt you find a person who is not proud of working for IBM, or a tech worker who would not take better paid job at IBM because of their past. Bottom line: Azure will be just fine.

This seems like the absolute worst time for anyone to be touting the amount of help they're giving to a federal agency, especially one that is ripping children away from their parents.

garettmd 8y ago

Well, to be fair, the linked post was published in January, well before any of the kid-snatching articles were in the news.

smcl 8y ago
I only just saw the date too, though to be fair ICE have been nasty for quite a while now
code_duck 8y ago
So this technology is probably currently in use to help massive human rights violations go better for the people perpetrating them.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  It's not a "human right" to illegally enter a country. I happen to be pro-open borders, but understand the opposing side's view.
  - s73v3r_ 8y ago
    It is, however, a massive human rights violation to separate children and parents like that. Regardless of what the opposing side believes regarding entering the country, that action is simply barbaric.
    - malvosenior 8y ago
      Incorrect. If a parent commits murder, do we imprision the child with them? No. People are breaking the law and their families are being separated because of it. This is squarely on the people breaking the law, not the people enforcing it.
      - s73v3r_ 8y ago
        "Incorrect. If a parent commits murder, do we imprision the child with them? No." I cannot take a single thing you say seriously now that you are comparing murder to people fleeing from danger and trying to give their children a better life. You are supporting a needlessly cruel policy, and what's worse, you are hiding that, trying to justify it by saying that its the law, when there is exactly no law whatsoever that forces this action.
        malvosenior 8y ago
        So you think we should lock up the children of criminals when the criminal is arrested? That's all this is about. People are breaking the law, getting caught and being detained. No amount of hyperbole is going to help your case with people that aren't already deeply immersed in your philosophy. I wish you could objectively hear what your argument sounds like to someone who's neutral on this issue.
        s73v3r_ 8y ago
        "So you think we should lock up the children of criminals when the criminal is arrested?" And this is why I can't take you seriously; you are very clearly not arguing in good faith. "I wish you could objectively hear what your argument sounds like to someone who's neutral on this issue." You are very clearly not neutral on this issue. And quite frankly, I don't want to meet someone who's "neutral" on the idea of separating children from their parents, and locking them up.
        malvosenior 8y ago
        Illegal immigration is illegal. If you do it you are literally a criminal. How is that not arguing in good faith? > I don't want to meet someone who's "neutral" on the idea of separating children from their parents, and locking them up. You meet people that support the law and legal immigration (but not illegal) all of the time. Most people hold this opinion.
s73v3r_ 8y ago
That's fair. I guess I'm used to things being posted to be fairly recent unless otherwise called out in the title.

Arzh 8y ago

It's from six months ago, it is being posted now in an effort to cause people to over react. There are a lot of problems with government of all levels siloing their data so even though I don't agree with ICE I also don't see this as a problem.

joering2 8y ago

IBM thrived during world war 2 providing Hitler with computer classification mainframes for prisoners. The book title I forgot made even asumption that classification, processing and extermination of “prisoners of war” at such huge scale as Hitler did would not be possible without IBM. Today, some 70 years later, I doubt you find a person who is not proud of working for IBM, or a tech worker who would not take better paid job at IBM because of their past. Bottom line: Azure will be just fine.