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This is one of those cases where German rigidity shows so well. Yes, strictly speaking, .eu is for EU only. On the other hand, the scenario of a country leaving

by pmlnr 8y ago

This is one of those cases where German rigidity shows so well. Yes, strictly speaking, .eu is for EU only. On the other hand, the scenario of a country leaving EU was never before tested. Instead of sticking rigorously to the letter in the .eu regulations, how about revisiting the regulation? Nope, that's not the procedure. (Disclaimer: I'm an EU citizen living in the UK, and I obviously don't like the whole Brexit happening. Due to this I moved my UK hosted .eu domain back to Hungary. On the other hand, if the new EU copyright proposal passes, I'll join the Brexit camp.)

JohnGB 8y ago
There is zero incentive for any EU country to be flexible with the UK exiting the EU, as that would incentivise even more disruption. If you cancel your membership at a club, you shouldn't expect to maintain some membership benefits of said club, no matter how small they may be. This (and many more) effects were clear to anyone wishing to look into them before the Brexit vote, and so nothing is happening that couldn't have easily been anticipated. As a side note, I don't believe that the Brexit decision is legal under UK law, as it's a parliamentary democracy, and as such the referendum was non binding. For a decision like this to be made, parliament has to vote on it, and as far as I'm aware, parliament has done no such thing yet.
- blibble 8y ago
  > As a side note, I don't believe that the Brexit decision is legal under UK law, as it's a parliamentary democracy, and as such the referendum was non binding. For a decision like this to be made, parliament has to vote on it, and as far as I'm aware, parliament has done no such thing yet. well you haven't been paying much attention then, as Parliament voted to allow the Government to invoke Article 50 in early 2017 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2017/9/pdfs/ukpga_20170009_en.pdf http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2017/9/pdfs/ukpga_201700...
  - billpg 8y ago
    These people would disagree... https://twitter.com/a50challenge https://twitter.com/a50challenge
    - jwilk 8y ago
      Can someone summarize what are their arguments?
      - billpg 8y ago
        (I'm not a lawyer, nor am I member of that group.) Essentially, the referendum was advisory, an interpretation confirmed by the Miller case. The act passed in response to that case does not include a clear decision to leave the EU. Thus, the Article 50 notification made in 2017 was not in compliance the UK constitutional requirements.
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- easytiger 8y ago
  > There is zero incentive for any EU country to be flexible with the UK exiting the EU Millions of non British EU citizens living in the UK would likely beg to differ
  - filleduchaos 8y ago
    How is that an incentive?
  - tpm 8y ago
    No they wouldn't. The EU standing up for them - which it does - is the only way they will have more rights than any other migrant worker from around the world. Being flexible would mean abandoning them to get some trade-only, no-free-movement deal.
- sonnyblarney 8y ago
  "If you cancel your membership at a club, you shouldn't expect to maintain some membership benefits of said club, no matter how small they may be." When you cancel your membership at a club, they should not hold you hostage for arbitrary crazy fees: see 100 Billion fantasy Euros invented out of thin air by European nations on 'Brexit bill' Also free trade benefits both parties. It's not a club you pay dues to. NAFTA is the world's largest customs union that requires no 'freedom of movement' and no 'fees' for membership. If the .eu domain is a 'benefit' of 'membership', well then surely the EU can keep that. But punishing the UK by forgoing a decent trade deal reveals the EU to be the 'bad deal' that it is. That they would need to 'punish' parties for leaving - to the detriment of everyone is crazy. Remember that everyone will pay more for UK goods and UK purchaser orders from EU countries will fall. Nobody wins but the elites in Bruxells trying to maintain their barely arbitrary hold on power. E. Europe is on a tear, Italy just elected an EU hostile government, Germany and the ECB overthrew a previous government in Italy (and Greece), nationalist are in in Austria, Denmark, basically Norway, and on the rise in Sweden, Finland and Germany - and the entire world's press had to rally around a nobody to keep the FN down in France ... while EU's 2cnd strongest economy flees and the Euro oppresses Southern European states ... And EU leaders are still not listening ... The EEC was great, and EU has some nice ideals but the elite there are utterly and completely out of touch, and it's not going to work. Deep fiscal integration is not possible (Greece, Sweden, Spain et. al. to agree on pensions, benefits, retirement and healthcare spending? Never ...) meaning that the Euro itself is untenable (creators of the Euro knew it needed fiscal integration in order to work). Consider EU's fear of offering UK a 'good trade deal' - then others might want that as well, right? Well then why not give everyone that!. If everyone wants a more commercial relationship, probably with some nice friendly border and citizenship stuff ... then why not have that? The 'fear' is having a Europe that Europeans want ... but that is not the EU? And that's a bad thing how? It's time for the EU to take a look in the mirror, this much is obvious. If they had the ability to bend with the times, there would be no Brexit, there would be no big right-wing uptick.
- HelloNurse 8y ago
  There are plenty of incentives to punish Britain and British citizens and companies, not only zero incentives to be "flexible". Withdrawing .eu domains works both as a last-minute threat to prevent Brexit and as revenge and compensation in case Brexit goes through. At the very least, Britain shall be made an example of.
- keithpeter 8y ago
  UK will still need to work with other countries including those in the 27. The 27 will still want to cooperate with UK, so club analogy not strictly accurate, more like leaving a shared house and moving into the empty flat next door. Isn't there a precedent that we don't break urls on the Web? I think I remember top level country domains persisting after the countries changed?
  - trothamel 8y ago
    Between GDPR, the copyright directive, and now this, it's pretty clear that the stable operation of the internet is not really considered to be in the EU's interests.
- tim333 8y ago
  There is a common sense incentive along the lines of if they are nice to us and we'll be nice to them. For example the UK has agreed to a £40bn or so divorce bill but could tell the EU to get lost and not pay in the event of no deal. Plus how they treat EU folk wanting to work in the UK after Brexit could vary and so on.
monkeynotes 8y ago
Does disagreeing with a single (admittedly shitty) law really mean you would align with Brexit? What a terrible situation Europe is slipping into.
- garmaine 8y ago
  How should he respond instead? Complacency?
  - lil_cain 8y ago
    Does the average American respond to a stupid law by campaigning for secession?
    - garmaine 8y ago
      Like leaving NAFTA? Yes, yes they do.
    - toiletfuneral 8y ago
      Well my hometown has an actual armed separatist militia over California banning .50 cals....so to answer you question: definitely. Also try talking to any Texan outside of Austin.
  - monkeynotes 8y ago
    It's not for me to prescribe the response, I am genuinely curious about how close to the line people who dislike Brexit are. Living in the EU, how close are people feeling to saying 'fuck it, let's do it live' and just winging it like the UK is preparing to do? Personally, if you are interested, I feel like Brexit leaves everyone worse off overall. The UK will continue to implement just as stupid up-tight fear laws and stifle creativity and productivity in exchange for perceived 'safety'. The EU's copyright proposal is bad, but Theresa May's approach to solving the UK's perceived moral and ethnic threats is likely worse.
    - garmaine 8y ago
charlesdm 8y ago
I don't even get why .EU domains should be restricted to EU residents.
- SiempreViernes 8y ago
  The domain is for EU residents, what's strange about that? May I suggest you complain about .edu domains being just for US higher education instead, and no other institutes in the entire world?
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  - tim333 8y ago
    Most countries are laid back about who uses their domains. The popular .io is British Indian Ocean Territory for example.
    - SiempreViernes 8y ago
      I just clicked somewhat randomly six times on the wikipedia list of top level domain and can report the following numbers: Available to anyone: 3 Some local connection required: 2 Unclear: 1
filleduchaos 8y ago
"I want to eat my cake and have it too!"
eastendguy 8y ago
>... German rigidity shows And what has Germany to do with this?
- Maken 8y ago
  Apparently some brexiters are convinced that everything wrong with Brexit is some evil Germans' fault, who control the EU in the shadows and want to take revenge for WWII.
- pmlnr 8y ago
  Of all the people/companies I worked with, the only two with stick-to-the-word-no-exceptions attitude were Japanese and Germans, hence the phrase. It wasn't intended to be offensive, sometimes those rigid procedures save lives, and it's very much possible the whole idea has nothing to do with a single German. Sorry for my wording.

by pmlnr 8y ago

JohnGB 8y ago

There is zero incentive for any EU country to be flexible with the UK exiting the EU, as that would incentivise even more disruption. If you cancel your membership at a club, you shouldn't expect to maintain some membership benefits of said club, no matter how small they may be. This (and many more) effects were clear to anyone wishing to look into them before the Brexit vote, and so nothing is happening that couldn't have easily been anticipated. As a side note, I don't believe that the Brexit decision is legal under UK law, as it's a parliamentary democracy, and as such the referendum was non binding. For a decision like this to be made, parliament has to vote on it, and as far as I'm aware, parliament has done no such thing yet.

blibble 8y ago
> As a side note, I don't believe that the Brexit decision is legal under UK law, as it's a parliamentary democracy, and as such the referendum was non binding. For a decision like this to be made, parliament has to vote on it, and as far as I'm aware, parliament has done no such thing yet. well you haven't been paying much attention then, as Parliament voted to allow the Government to invoke Article 50 in early 2017 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2017/9/pdfs/ukpga_20170009_en.pdf http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2017/9/pdfs/ukpga_201700...
- billpg 8y ago
  These people would disagree... https://twitter.com/a50challenge https://twitter.com/a50challenge
  - jwilk 8y ago
    Can someone summarize what are their arguments?
    - billpg 8y ago
      (I'm not a lawyer, nor am I member of that group.) Essentially, the referendum was advisory, an interpretation confirmed by the Miller case. The act passed in response to that case does not include a clear decision to leave the EU. Thus, the Article 50 notification made in 2017 was not in compliance the UK constitutional requirements.
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easytiger 8y ago
> There is zero incentive for any EU country to be flexible with the UK exiting the EU Millions of non British EU citizens living in the UK would likely beg to differ
- filleduchaos 8y ago
  How is that an incentive?
- tpm 8y ago
  No they wouldn't. The EU standing up for them - which it does - is the only way they will have more rights than any other migrant worker from around the world. Being flexible would mean abandoning them to get some trade-only, no-free-movement deal.
sonnyblarney 8y ago
"If you cancel your membership at a club, you shouldn't expect to maintain some membership benefits of said club, no matter how small they may be." When you cancel your membership at a club, they should not hold you hostage for arbitrary crazy fees: see 100 Billion fantasy Euros invented out of thin air by European nations on 'Brexit bill' Also free trade benefits both parties. It's not a club you pay dues to. NAFTA is the world's largest customs union that requires no 'freedom of movement' and no 'fees' for membership. If the .eu domain is a 'benefit' of 'membership', well then surely the EU can keep that. But punishing the UK by forgoing a decent trade deal reveals the EU to be the 'bad deal' that it is. That they would need to 'punish' parties for leaving - to the detriment of everyone is crazy. Remember that everyone will pay more for UK goods and UK purchaser orders from EU countries will fall. Nobody wins but the elites in Bruxells trying to maintain their barely arbitrary hold on power. E. Europe is on a tear, Italy just elected an EU hostile government, Germany and the ECB overthrew a previous government in Italy (and Greece), nationalist are in in Austria, Denmark, basically Norway, and on the rise in Sweden, Finland and Germany - and the entire world's press had to rally around a nobody to keep the FN down in France ... while EU's 2cnd strongest economy flees and the Euro oppresses Southern European states ... And EU leaders are still not listening ... The EEC was great, and EU has some nice ideals but the elite there are utterly and completely out of touch, and it's not going to work. Deep fiscal integration is not possible (Greece, Sweden, Spain et. al. to agree on pensions, benefits, retirement and healthcare spending? Never ...) meaning that the Euro itself is untenable (creators of the Euro knew it needed fiscal integration in order to work). Consider EU's fear of offering UK a 'good trade deal' - then others might want that as well, right? Well then why not give everyone that!. If everyone wants a more commercial relationship, probably with some nice friendly border and citizenship stuff ... then why not have that? The 'fear' is having a Europe that Europeans want ... but that is not the EU? And that's a bad thing how? It's time for the EU to take a look in the mirror, this much is obvious. If they had the ability to bend with the times, there would be no Brexit, there would be no big right-wing uptick.
HelloNurse 8y ago
There are plenty of incentives to punish Britain and British citizens and companies, not only zero incentives to be "flexible". Withdrawing .eu domains works both as a last-minute threat to prevent Brexit and as revenge and compensation in case Brexit goes through. At the very least, Britain shall be made an example of.
keithpeter 8y ago
UK will still need to work with other countries including those in the 27. The 27 will still want to cooperate with UK, so club analogy not strictly accurate, more like leaving a shared house and moving into the empty flat next door. Isn't there a precedent that we don't break urls on the Web? I think I remember top level country domains persisting after the countries changed?
- trothamel 8y ago
  Between GDPR, the copyright directive, and now this, it's pretty clear that the stable operation of the internet is not really considered to be in the EU's interests.
tim333 8y ago
There is a common sense incentive along the lines of if they are nice to us and we'll be nice to them. For example the UK has agreed to a £40bn or so divorce bill but could tell the EU to get lost and not pay in the event of no deal. Plus how they treat EU folk wanting to work in the UK after Brexit could vary and so on.

monkeynotes 8y ago

Does disagreeing with a single (admittedly shitty) law really mean you would align with Brexit? What a terrible situation Europe is slipping into.

garmaine 8y ago
How should he respond instead? Complacency?
- lil_cain 8y ago
  Does the average American respond to a stupid law by campaigning for secession?
  - garmaine 8y ago
    Like leaving NAFTA? Yes, yes they do.
  - toiletfuneral 8y ago
    Well my hometown has an actual armed separatist militia over California banning .50 cals....so to answer you question: definitely. Also try talking to any Texan outside of Austin.
- monkeynotes 8y ago
  It's not for me to prescribe the response, I am genuinely curious about how close to the line people who dislike Brexit are. Living in the EU, how close are people feeling to saying 'fuck it, let's do it live' and just winging it like the UK is preparing to do? Personally, if you are interested, I feel like Brexit leaves everyone worse off overall. The UK will continue to implement just as stupid up-tight fear laws and stifle creativity and productivity in exchange for perceived 'safety'. The EU's copyright proposal is bad, but Theresa May's approach to solving the UK's perceived moral and ethnic threats is likely worse.
  - garmaine 8y ago

charlesdm 8y ago

I don't even get why .EU domains should be restricted to EU residents.

SiempreViernes 8y ago
The domain is for EU residents, what's strange about that? May I suggest you complain about .edu domains being just for US higher education instead, and no other institutes in the entire world?
- deleted 8y ago
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- tim333 8y ago
  Most countries are laid back about who uses their domains. The popular .io is British Indian Ocean Territory for example.
  - SiempreViernes 8y ago
    I just clicked somewhat randomly six times on the wikipedia list of top level domain and can report the following numbers: Available to anyone: 3 Some local connection required: 2 Unclear: 1

filleduchaos 8y ago

"I want to eat my cake and have it too!"

eastendguy 8y ago

>... German rigidity shows And what has Germany to do with this?

Maken 8y ago
Apparently some brexiters are convinced that everything wrong with Brexit is some evil Germans' fault, who control the EU in the shadows and want to take revenge for WWII.
pmlnr 8y ago
Of all the people/companies I worked with, the only two with stick-to-the-word-no-exceptions attitude were Japanese and Germans, hence the phrase. It wasn't intended to be offensive, sometimes those rigid procedures save lives, and it's very much possible the whole idea has nothing to do with a single German. Sorry for my wording.