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> It’s equally plausible to me that Intel would have continued to see strong x86 sales and weak demand for Itanium and ended up shipping their own 64-bit extens
by beagle3 8y ago
> It’s equally plausible to me that Intel would have continued to see strong x86 sales and weak demand for Itanium and ended up shipping their own 64-bit extension a few years later with less pressure from AMD simply because businesses weren’t keen on the “recompile everything, make a bunch of expensive optimizations, and it might be faster than the system it’s replacing”
I agree it is plausible, but the "few" in "few years later" makes a huge difference. Itanium was not requested or driven by the market, not even wanted; it was dictated by Intel, who put in billions into it. Without any market pressure, they would have likely taken their sweet time - possibly 10 or more years - to let Itanium mature. They actually took the writeoff for Itanium as late as they could - I would guess no one wants to one such a colossal failure, and that would have been true even if AMD wasn't around.
While IA-64 originated in HP, as another poster noted, it was in Intel's interest that HP would be out of the CPU market, and in that sense Itanium was a success -- it left Intel in a much stronger position in the long run, and if it wasn't for you meddling AMD kids, they would have gotten away with it in the short run as well.
- acdha 8y agoIt's an interesting what-if scenario: AMD put a ton of pressure on Intel but if they hadn't I wonder how Intel's internal politics would have gone as Itanium continued to fail while x86 continued to print money or whether that would have emboldened an outside competitor. HP had ceded the CPU market but Power was competitive on both the desktop (Apple was shipping a lot of PowerPC) and high-end server (IBM, Bull, and Hitachi) markets, delivering quite competitive performance and mature 64-bit support, and there was still some chance left for SPARC, MIPS, or Alpha — and 3 of those 4 CPUs had native support in Windows. AMD publicly announced AMD 64 in 1999 and I'd be surprised if they hadn't had some early news before that time since IBM, Sun, and SGI all had Opteron servers on the market fairly early on. If that hadn't been looking likely, I wonder whether someone at IBM or Sun might have decided to invest more heavily since Intel was voluntarily giving up their biggest advantage by sacrificing backwards compatibility.