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On the contrary, I wonder how people would view the school if it had no racial based entrances and people were entered solely based on their academic merit. Wou

On the contrary, I wonder how people would view the school if it had no racial based entrances and people were entered solely based on their academic merit. Would people look negatively on the school if it were 90%+ asian-american students?

brighteyes 8y ago
It wouldn't be 90%. It would be 40%, most likely, because that's what happens in California universities that don't have racial quotas. Even if it would somehow go up to 90%, and people viewed that negatively, why does that matter? Those people are wrong.
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- 10097338 8y ago
  > Those people are wrong. So your opinion is fact?
- ng12 8y ago
  This is happening in NYC right now. The high-achieving highschools are dominated by Asian-Americans. Admission is granted solely on the basis of a standardized test -- and enough of a stink has been made that the mayor is considering removing it in favor of a more holistic "diverse" approach. http://abc7ny.com/education/parents-students-protest-plan-to-eliminate-specialized-admissions-test-/3606937/ http://abc7ny.com/education/parents-students-protest-plan-to...
  - hn_throwaway_99 8y ago
    Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in VA, one of the best high schools in the country has a class of 2019 that is 21.8% white, 74% Asian, 1.7% black, and 2.6% Hispanic. My guess is most highly selective universities would look similar if admissions were race blind there as well.
- wallace_f 8y ago
  NBA all star teams are virtually 100% Black, and 0% Asian. Does it matter? Nobody seems to care. But if a software company or university has too many or too few Asians, then this is some kind of civil rights issue? Instead of securing equal rights, this country has turned into securing special interest rights. Everything from marijuana prohibition to gay marriage to discrimination goes through its own movement. Why cant we just all defend everyone's right to life, liberty, and justice? Everyone deserves equal rights granting equal opportunity. Demanding equal results is to just demand some be Harrison Bergeron'd and others be given reward without merit.
  - toomanybeersies 8y ago
    The entire concept of affirmative action is that not everybody has had equal opportunity. A student from low income parents will probably have gone to a poorly resourced school, they will have never had tutoring, they may have had to start working a job after school, affecting their study. They may not even have access to a computer or the internet outside of school hours (another reason why public libraries are an essential public service). Even the food you eat growing up can have an effect on academic performance. If you're not getting a good breakfast or lunch, there's no way you're going to be able to learn effectively. A lot of these students are just as smart and capable as students from better off backgrounds. But their school results will be lower. Once they end up in the same environment as their wealthier peers, they tend to catch up quickly. If you look at the pass rates at Harvard by ethnicity [1], you'll see that they're very similar for all ethnicities (with the exception of Native American). Delineating by race is a very blunt tool for affirmative action, and there are questions as to it's effectiveness, it also means that White people from poor backgrounds get left out, and black or hispanic people from wealthy backgrounds get an unfair leg up. But it's not fair to simply say "if you have good grades, you go to a good university". Equality is not equity. [1] https://www.scholarships.com/colleges/harvard-university/graduation-rates/ https://www.scholarships.com/colleges/harvard-university/gra...
freedomben 8y ago
I think absolutely people would look at that negatively, but should they? That might be the harder question to answer.

brighteyes 8y ago

It wouldn't be 90%. It would be 40%, most likely, because that's what happens in California universities that don't have racial quotas. Even if it would somehow go up to 90%, and people viewed that negatively, why does that matter? Those people are wrong.

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10097338 8y ago
> Those people are wrong. So your opinion is fact?
ng12 8y ago
This is happening in NYC right now. The high-achieving highschools are dominated by Asian-Americans. Admission is granted solely on the basis of a standardized test -- and enough of a stink has been made that the mayor is considering removing it in favor of a more holistic "diverse" approach. http://abc7ny.com/education/parents-students-protest-plan-to-eliminate-specialized-admissions-test-/3606937/ http://abc7ny.com/education/parents-students-protest-plan-to...
- hn_throwaway_99 8y ago
  Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in VA, one of the best high schools in the country has a class of 2019 that is 21.8% white, 74% Asian, 1.7% black, and 2.6% Hispanic. My guess is most highly selective universities would look similar if admissions were race blind there as well.
wallace_f 8y ago
NBA all star teams are virtually 100% Black, and 0% Asian. Does it matter? Nobody seems to care. But if a software company or university has too many or too few Asians, then this is some kind of civil rights issue? Instead of securing equal rights, this country has turned into securing special interest rights. Everything from marijuana prohibition to gay marriage to discrimination goes through its own movement. Why cant we just all defend everyone's right to life, liberty, and justice? Everyone deserves equal rights granting equal opportunity. Demanding equal results is to just demand some be Harrison Bergeron'd and others be given reward without merit.
- toomanybeersies 8y ago
  The entire concept of affirmative action is that not everybody has had equal opportunity. A student from low income parents will probably have gone to a poorly resourced school, they will have never had tutoring, they may have had to start working a job after school, affecting their study. They may not even have access to a computer or the internet outside of school hours (another reason why public libraries are an essential public service). Even the food you eat growing up can have an effect on academic performance. If you're not getting a good breakfast or lunch, there's no way you're going to be able to learn effectively. A lot of these students are just as smart and capable as students from better off backgrounds. But their school results will be lower. Once they end up in the same environment as their wealthier peers, they tend to catch up quickly. If you look at the pass rates at Harvard by ethnicity [1], you'll see that they're very similar for all ethnicities (with the exception of Native American). Delineating by race is a very blunt tool for affirmative action, and there are questions as to it's effectiveness, it also means that White people from poor backgrounds get left out, and black or hispanic people from wealthy backgrounds get an unfair leg up. But it's not fair to simply say "if you have good grades, you go to a good university". Equality is not equity. [1] https://www.scholarships.com/colleges/harvard-university/graduation-rates/ https://www.scholarships.com/colleges/harvard-university/gra...

freedomben 8y ago

I think absolutely people would look at that negatively, but should they? That might be the harder question to answer.