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I didn't mean asking for a solution, I meant, more specifically, "asking" (really demanding) that certain videos be taken down, such as with a DMCA takedown req

by mmt 8y ago

I didn't mean asking for a solution, I meant, more specifically, "asking" (really demanding) that certain videos be taken down, such as with a DMCA takedown request. Are you saying that Youtube has spent their own resources to make it easier for BigCo, beyond that legal obligation?

DoreenMichele 8y ago
I am more suggesting that this is a fundamental problem in the world where we have "might makes right" rather than "might for right." People can exist without companies. Companies cannot exist without people. Companies should serve people, not the other way around. Something has gone very wrong that it works this way. Given that people created these companies, people run these companies, people created the laws and court system used to justify this shit and on and on... Somewhere, we lost our way and forgot that all of these things should serve the common good for humanity. These systems became bastardized and we sit around lamenting that this is just how it is and we are too powerless to stop it. We have become the slaves of things we invented to serve us and we loudly proclaim that this is the new natural order and there is nothing to be done about it.
- mmt 8y ago
  This is pretty big departure from your original comment. (Which was, I believe, supposed to be something of a rhetorical question, but my reply was to point out that it missed its mark.) > this is a fundamental problem in the world Although I agree with your sentiment regarding the corruption of systems, I don't believe merely calling out the problem, especially reducing it to the fundamentals, is helpful. > Somewhere, we lost our way and forgot that all of these things should serve the common good for humanity. This implies that (at least modern, Western) society evolved from some kind of kinder, gentler, common-benefit civilization in the past. That's inconsistent with my understanding of history, wherein people behaved toward each other in many ways that are reprehensible. > we sit around lamenting that this is just how it is and we are too powerless to stop it. > we loudly proclaim that this is the new natural order and there is nothing to be done about it. These are either straw-men or self-deprecation (since you were the one who used the shruggie originally). If you want to discuss how best to change the situation, then I would suggest at least proposing what can be done about it. If you merely want to complain, then I would suggest a different forum.
  - DoreenMichele 8y ago
    To my mind, it's not a big departure from my original comment. But your stance seems fundamentally dismissive, so I think I'm done here.
    - mmt 8y ago
      > To my mind, it's not a big departure from my original comment. Fair enough, perhaps "expansion" would have been a better word than "departure". > But your stance seems fundamentally dismissive, so I think I'm done here. To my mind, I'm trying to be responsive and evoke thought-provoking conversation. In this case, I hoped I could get you to share what you think could be done to improve the broken system, but I failed.
      - DoreenMichele 8y ago
        There are better ways to do that than to suggest I'm in the wrong forum, I don't belong here and take it elsewhere. I'm a woman in an overwhelmingly male forum. It's a big problem for me to try to find a reply in the face of that. You may not have any idea. And it doesn't matter. It could have been someone LGBTQ or a person of color or any number of other reasons for feeling they don't really belong and aren't really welcome. Most people won't tell you their reason for feeling fundamentally unwelcome, but a fairly high percentage of people will feel that way. I'm not at my best today. Maybe under other circumstances I would have been more able to rise to the occasion. So it's also not intended to simply blame you either. I'm muddling through as best I can, as usual.
        mmt 8y ago
        > There are better ways to do that than to suggest I'm in the wrong forum, I don't belong here and take it elsewhere. I realize that part of what I said could be construed that way, and I apologize. I do try very hard not be ad-hominem and avoid talk about the commenter, in favor of talking about the comment itself. So, to be clear, I was making no statement about you not belonging here. Rather, I was saying (and only after actually asking for the kind of content/information I was hoping for) that this isn't the best forum for illustrating a problem without an accompanying suggested solution. I do still hope to read your thoughts on making the system less corrupt.

by mmt 8y ago

DoreenMichele 8y ago

I am more suggesting that this is a fundamental problem in the world where we have "might makes right" rather than "might for right." People can exist without companies. Companies cannot exist without people. Companies should serve people, not the other way around. Something has gone very wrong that it works this way. Given that people created these companies, people run these companies, people created the laws and court system used to justify this shit and on and on... Somewhere, we lost our way and forgot that all of these things should serve the common good for humanity. These systems became bastardized and we sit around lamenting that this is just how it is and we are too powerless to stop it. We have become the slaves of things we invented to serve us and we loudly proclaim that this is the new natural order and there is nothing to be done about it.

mmt 8y ago
This is pretty big departure from your original comment. (Which was, I believe, supposed to be something of a rhetorical question, but my reply was to point out that it missed its mark.) > this is a fundamental problem in the world Although I agree with your sentiment regarding the corruption of systems, I don't believe merely calling out the problem, especially reducing it to the fundamentals, is helpful. > Somewhere, we lost our way and forgot that all of these things should serve the common good for humanity. This implies that (at least modern, Western) society evolved from some kind of kinder, gentler, common-benefit civilization in the past. That's inconsistent with my understanding of history, wherein people behaved toward each other in many ways that are reprehensible. > we sit around lamenting that this is just how it is and we are too powerless to stop it. > we loudly proclaim that this is the new natural order and there is nothing to be done about it. These are either straw-men or self-deprecation (since you were the one who used the shruggie originally). If you want to discuss how best to change the situation, then I would suggest at least proposing what can be done about it. If you merely want to complain, then I would suggest a different forum.
- DoreenMichele 8y ago
  To my mind, it's not a big departure from my original comment. But your stance seems fundamentally dismissive, so I think I'm done here.
  - mmt 8y ago
    > To my mind, it's not a big departure from my original comment. Fair enough, perhaps "expansion" would have been a better word than "departure". > But your stance seems fundamentally dismissive, so I think I'm done here. To my mind, I'm trying to be responsive and evoke thought-provoking conversation. In this case, I hoped I could get you to share what you think could be done to improve the broken system, but I failed.
    - DoreenMichele 8y ago
      There are better ways to do that than to suggest I'm in the wrong forum, I don't belong here and take it elsewhere. I'm a woman in an overwhelmingly male forum. It's a big problem for me to try to find a reply in the face of that. You may not have any idea. And it doesn't matter. It could have been someone LGBTQ or a person of color or any number of other reasons for feeling they don't really belong and aren't really welcome. Most people won't tell you their reason for feeling fundamentally unwelcome, but a fairly high percentage of people will feel that way. I'm not at my best today. Maybe under other circumstances I would have been more able to rise to the occasion. So it's also not intended to simply blame you either. I'm muddling through as best I can, as usual.
      - mmt 8y ago
        > There are better ways to do that than to suggest I'm in the wrong forum, I don't belong here and take it elsewhere. I realize that part of what I said could be construed that way, and I apologize. I do try very hard not be ad-hominem and avoid talk about the commenter, in favor of talking about the comment itself. So, to be clear, I was making no statement about you not belonging here. Rather, I was saying (and only after actually asking for the kind of content/information I was hoping for) that this isn't the best forum for illustrating a problem without an accompanying suggested solution. I do still hope to read your thoughts on making the system less corrupt.