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- tons of unique content on Youtube - every Blogger blog - every website hosted on Google's cloud (quite a few) or using Google DNS - lots of unique Android

- tons of unique content on Youtube - every Blogger blog - every website hosted on Google's cloud (quite a few) or using Google DNS - lots of unique Android apps that arent available on iOS because the barrier to entry is higher - emailing anyone with an @gmail address - working at any company using GApps etc.etc.

ealhad 8y ago
I almost never stumble on Blogger blogs. Are there many? I'm grateful that Google launched Android, but now I can use it without their ”services” and use only (albeit maybe a few manufacturer binary blobs) Free Software. Gmail... Well, I don't use it, and altough not everybody wants to self-host, changing email provider (or having several) is easy. If a company uses GApps, it probably means I'm not working for it. ...I'd probably use a VPN to be able to watch YouTube, I am not ready to give it up yet. Alternatives are growing, though!
- lovich 8y ago
  You are somehow missing the part about "you can get around it". France could block everything I do and I could circumvent it but it takes time, and would increase cost or limit some of my actions. There is zero difference between a non superpower country blocking you and a megacorps blocking you in terms of the affects on your business Edit: Additionally, how many of your points are from the viewpoint of "I"? Do you really think as a software engineer, or really just a person in general, that your experiences map to the majority of everyone else?
  - ealhad 8y ago
    Everything I said was from my own viewpoint (I thought that was pretty clear). You wrote “There is very little difference in results between a nation blocking you or Google blocking you right now”, which I interpreted as an individual-targeted sentence. Since I already try to avoid Google (in fact, it’s me blocking them, except for YouTube), I tried to imagine if it blocking me would be a problem. Of course I don't think that everybody shares my view or can relate to my experience, that would be preposterous.
frankharv 8y ago
If your company uses Google for either Apps or Mail they are a very ignorant company. Why would any company want to share its secrets with Google? I was silly at one time and used their DNS services. Why feed the beast more? Let them read all your email to sell your personal details? Why? Too inept to setup a email program? You would have to be half silly to trust these folks. I can't support Alphabet anymore. They have lost their way.
- matthewmacleod 8y ago
  A large number of companies use Google services for many obvious reasons, and you’re not going to understand why if you dismiss it as “ignorance”.
- mrgordon 8y ago
  Haha good luck running your own secure email server

ealhad 8y ago

I almost never stumble on Blogger blogs. Are there many? I'm grateful that Google launched Android, but now I can use it without their ”services” and use only (albeit maybe a few manufacturer binary blobs) Free Software. Gmail... Well, I don't use it, and altough not everybody wants to self-host, changing email provider (or having several) is easy. If a company uses GApps, it probably means I'm not working for it. ...I'd probably use a VPN to be able to watch YouTube, I am not ready to give it up yet. Alternatives are growing, though!

lovich 8y ago
You are somehow missing the part about "you can get around it". France could block everything I do and I could circumvent it but it takes time, and would increase cost or limit some of my actions. There is zero difference between a non superpower country blocking you and a megacorps blocking you in terms of the affects on your business Edit: Additionally, how many of your points are from the viewpoint of "I"? Do you really think as a software engineer, or really just a person in general, that your experiences map to the majority of everyone else?
- ealhad 8y ago
  Everything I said was from my own viewpoint (I thought that was pretty clear). You wrote “There is very little difference in results between a nation blocking you or Google blocking you right now”, which I interpreted as an individual-targeted sentence. Since I already try to avoid Google (in fact, it’s me blocking them, except for YouTube), I tried to imagine if it blocking me would be a problem. Of course I don't think that everybody shares my view or can relate to my experience, that would be preposterous.

frankharv 8y ago

If your company uses Google for either Apps or Mail they are a very ignorant company. Why would any company want to share its secrets with Google? I was silly at one time and used their DNS services. Why feed the beast more? Let them read all your email to sell your personal details? Why? Too inept to setup a email program? You would have to be half silly to trust these folks. I can't support Alphabet anymore. They have lost their way.

matthewmacleod 8y ago
A large number of companies use Google services for many obvious reasons, and you’re not going to understand why if you dismiss it as “ignorance”.
mrgordon 8y ago
Haha good luck running your own secure email server