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This is straight up Black Mirror (season 3, episode 1: Nosedive) Obviously the whole point of that episode was to imagine Instagram in its darkest future, but i

This is straight up Black Mirror (season 3, episode 1: Nosedive) Obviously the whole point of that episode was to imagine Instagram in its darkest future, but it's scary how much of it is becoming real, and separately with the roll-out of social credit scores in China. Scary stuff. --- Hansen: So in terms of quality, you could use a punch up right there. Ideally, that's up votes from quality people. Lacie: Quality people? Hansen: High fours. Impress those up-scale folks, you'll gain velocity on your arc and there's your boost.

staticautomatic 8y ago
I don't know whether to up or down vote this. I respect it as art and it makes me ill.
- andybak 8y ago
  Your concerns are themselves ironic. I'm so confused.
  - staticautomatic 8y ago
    I don't understand what you're saying but would like to. What did you identify as my concerns and in what way are they ironic?
    - deleted 8y ago
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    - sopooneo 8y ago
      I think the joke is that you're choosing to upvote a post, and by proxy the person who wrote it, in relation to the horrifying "upvote" centered plot of the television episode quoted. It's upvotes all the way down.
    - shkkmo 8y ago
      Presumably the irony arises from your confusion as to if you should add or remove social reputation from a comment discussing an episode primarily about the near future of adding and removing social reputation.
jhobag 8y ago
>Hansen: High fours. Impress those up-scale folks, you'll gain velocity on your arc and there's your boost. somewhat similar appealing to google search the way to gaming instagram is by having famous people/big accounts/verified accounts comment and interact with ur account so you 1. appear in the activity for their followers 2. appear on the explore page for the potential new followers and more engagement, repeat ad nauseam "organic growth"
AndrewKemendo 8y ago
I guess I don't get creeped out about this because this is what happens already in life - but it's implicit and unacknowledged instead of explicit and acknowledged. This same calculus happens at all levels: trying to be part of certain groups (Stanford graduate, YCombinator graduate etc...) , join certain clubs (Founders who have raised a Series A, Forbes 30 under 30), impress certain people (Investors, Board Members) etc... to get where you want. Just change the players depending on what you want out of life. So if making it explicit makes you feel bad, then you probably feel bad about how things work already.
- Analemma_ 8y ago
  Exactly. At least Instagram has a visible number (your follower count) that is a decent proxy for what "level" you've reached. With "good old boys" networks it's totally opaque.
  - sanderjd 8y ago
    Why is that better?
    - obelix_ 8y ago
      Cause now if NASA needs some extra funding they just need to convince Kim Kardashian (or whoever replaces her day after tomorrow on the top of the pyramid) of its importance. It's going to happen. Just watch.
      - tenpies 8y ago
        The alarming thing is that after seeing the Kanye & Kardashian empire get more political, I can very much picture a future where we have Kanye is president in 2020 or 2024. To put it in millennial marketing pseudo-jargon: how many likes = 1 vote?
        gregpilling 8y ago
        You mean like when Kanye said he would in 2015? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9x92nwGf_M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9x92nwGf_M Now that he has seen Trump get elected, I am sure he knows it is possible.
fraudsyndrome 8y ago
> the roll-out of social credit scores in China The thing is, these all aren't enforced by governments, but through social media and organizations. The popular one sesame credit in China is from the Alibaba group, not the Chinese government. In the same vein, Instagram is it's own platform, people can determine how much they think "followers" are worth and businesses can use their own discretion to decide how much to enforce their own policies based on others "social credit" or "followers"
- mattigames 8y ago
  Except that if the "social "companies keep growing and merging eventually they will have more power than governments and if you are not signed up you may as well don't exist.
  - mandelbrotwurst 8y ago
    Are you sure? The government will still have its monopoly on force and power to tax.
  - girvo 8y ago
    Which is explored (in a decent but not brilliant way) in the Emma Watson movie "The Circle". It's ending was somewhat chilling, if a little naff. I enjoyed it though, and provoked some interesting thoughts, even if it doesn't dive quite as deep as I'd like into this topic.
- wpietri 8y ago
  Which reminds me of the old joke, "Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's the other way around."
  - lioeters 8y ago
    Great quote, apparently by the economist John Kenneth Galbraith.
- toomanybeersies 8y ago
mcintyre1994 8y ago
At least Klout died.

staticautomatic 8y ago

I don't know whether to up or down vote this. I respect it as art and it makes me ill.

andybak 8y ago
Your concerns are themselves ironic. I'm so confused.
- staticautomatic 8y ago
  I don't understand what you're saying but would like to. What did you identify as my concerns and in what way are they ironic?
  - deleted 8y ago
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  - sopooneo 8y ago
    I think the joke is that you're choosing to upvote a post, and by proxy the person who wrote it, in relation to the horrifying "upvote" centered plot of the television episode quoted. It's upvotes all the way down.
  - shkkmo 8y ago
    Presumably the irony arises from your confusion as to if you should add or remove social reputation from a comment discussing an episode primarily about the near future of adding and removing social reputation.

jhobag 8y ago

>Hansen: High fours. Impress those up-scale folks, you'll gain velocity on your arc and there's your boost. somewhat similar appealing to google search the way to gaming instagram is by having famous people/big accounts/verified accounts comment and interact with ur account so you 1. appear in the activity for their followers 2. appear on the explore page for the potential new followers and more engagement, repeat ad nauseam "organic growth"

AndrewKemendo 8y ago

I guess I don't get creeped out about this because this is what happens already in life - but it's implicit and unacknowledged instead of explicit and acknowledged. This same calculus happens at all levels: trying to be part of certain groups (Stanford graduate, YCombinator graduate etc...) , join certain clubs (Founders who have raised a Series A, Forbes 30 under 30), impress certain people (Investors, Board Members) etc... to get where you want. Just change the players depending on what you want out of life. So if making it explicit makes you feel bad, then you probably feel bad about how things work already.

Analemma_ 8y ago
Exactly. At least Instagram has a visible number (your follower count) that is a decent proxy for what "level" you've reached. With "good old boys" networks it's totally opaque.
- sanderjd 8y ago
  Why is that better?
  - obelix_ 8y ago
    Cause now if NASA needs some extra funding they just need to convince Kim Kardashian (or whoever replaces her day after tomorrow on the top of the pyramid) of its importance. It's going to happen. Just watch.
    - tenpies 8y ago
      The alarming thing is that after seeing the Kanye & Kardashian empire get more political, I can very much picture a future where we have Kanye is president in 2020 or 2024. To put it in millennial marketing pseudo-jargon: how many likes = 1 vote?
      - gregpilling 8y ago
        You mean like when Kanye said he would in 2015? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9x92nwGf_M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9x92nwGf_M Now that he has seen Trump get elected, I am sure he knows it is possible.

fraudsyndrome 8y ago

> the roll-out of social credit scores in China The thing is, these all aren't enforced by governments, but through social media and organizations. The popular one sesame credit in China is from the Alibaba group, not the Chinese government. In the same vein, Instagram is it's own platform, people can determine how much they think "followers" are worth and businesses can use their own discretion to decide how much to enforce their own policies based on others "social credit" or "followers"

mattigames 8y ago
Except that if the "social "companies keep growing and merging eventually they will have more power than governments and if you are not signed up you may as well don't exist.
- mandelbrotwurst 8y ago
  Are you sure? The government will still have its monopoly on force and power to tax.
- girvo 8y ago
  Which is explored (in a decent but not brilliant way) in the Emma Watson movie "The Circle". It's ending was somewhat chilling, if a little naff. I enjoyed it though, and provoked some interesting thoughts, even if it doesn't dive quite as deep as I'd like into this topic.
wpietri 8y ago
Which reminds me of the old joke, "Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's the other way around."
- lioeters 8y ago
  Great quote, apparently by the economist John Kenneth Galbraith.
toomanybeersies 8y ago

mcintyre1994 8y ago

At least Klout died.