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slightly off topic: amazing how far we have come, and how much more we have to go. You could walk into a market and go home with slaves, totally yours, to do wh

slightly off topic: amazing how far we have come, and how much more we have to go. You could walk into a market and go home with slaves, totally yours, to do whatever you pleased with your property.

Anechoic 8y ago
And we're not that far removed from it - my grandmother knew former slaves and her grandmother was a slave.
- fredley 8y ago
  In many places in the World, we're not removed from it. Slavery is still an issue almost everywhere, even in the United States[1], it's just that it now takes the form mostly of domestic slavery and sex trafficking. Other parts of the World still openly practice forced marriage and bonded labour. 1: http://www.endslaverynow.org/learn/slavery-today/domestic-servitude http://www.endslaverynow.org/learn/slavery-today/domestic-se...
  - bagels 8y ago
    What part talks about the US?
    - fredley 8y ago
      The section titled Domestic Servitude in the United States.
- tomohawk 8y ago
  This man was a slave in the US in the 20th century. Amazing story. https://www.amazon.com/Emancipation-Robert-Powerful-Twentieth-Century-Plantation-ebook/dp/B006K1MWCC https://www.amazon.com/Emancipation-Robert-Powerful-Twentiet...
- Double_a_92 8y ago
  Also what about women today? They make 78 cents on the dollar compared to men! How is that not modern slavery that is enforced on women by the patriarchy?
trzmiel4 8y ago
Today most of the stuff you bring home from the market was either made with slave work, or with machine work. The latter is not unlikely to have even worse impact on human lives on a great scale.
- bitL 8y ago
  I think development of technology was often motivated by finding means of freeing slaves from atrocious work to give them dignity; if a machine could be built doing the same, that allowed some slaves to escape. Ultimately, this showdown can be seen in our field where many are motivated by similar principles whereas others still want to keep the control of others, warping the rules to their benefit.
_pmf_ 8y ago
> You could walk into a market and go home with slaves, totally yours, to do whatever you pleased with your property. then: people as property now: people as a service

slightly off topic: amazing how far we have come, and how much more we have to go. You could walk into a market and go home with slaves, totally yours, to do whatever you pleased with your property.

Anechoic 8y ago

And we're not that far removed from it - my grandmother knew former slaves and her grandmother was a slave.

fredley 8y ago
In many places in the World, we're not removed from it. Slavery is still an issue almost everywhere, even in the United States[1], it's just that it now takes the form mostly of domestic slavery and sex trafficking. Other parts of the World still openly practice forced marriage and bonded labour. 1: http://www.endslaverynow.org/learn/slavery-today/domestic-servitude http://www.endslaverynow.org/learn/slavery-today/domestic-se...
- bagels 8y ago
  What part talks about the US?
  - fredley 8y ago
    The section titled Domestic Servitude in the United States.
tomohawk 8y ago
This man was a slave in the US in the 20th century. Amazing story. https://www.amazon.com/Emancipation-Robert-Powerful-Twentieth-Century-Plantation-ebook/dp/B006K1MWCC https://www.amazon.com/Emancipation-Robert-Powerful-Twentiet...
Double_a_92 8y ago
Also what about women today? They make 78 cents on the dollar compared to men! How is that not modern slavery that is enforced on women by the patriarchy?

trzmiel4 8y ago

Today most of the stuff you bring home from the market was either made with slave work, or with machine work. The latter is not unlikely to have even worse impact on human lives on a great scale.

bitL 8y ago
I think development of technology was often motivated by finding means of freeing slaves from atrocious work to give them dignity; if a machine could be built doing the same, that allowed some slaves to escape. Ultimately, this showdown can be seen in our field where many are motivated by similar principles whereas others still want to keep the control of others, warping the rules to their benefit.

_pmf_ 8y ago

> You could walk into a market and go home with slaves, totally yours, to do whatever you pleased with your property. then: people as property now: people as a service