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Politicians in favor of upload filtering get channel deleted by upload filtering

125 points by mysterypie 8y ago

vezycash 8y ago
These guys basically want to recreate their own version of Chinese internet. I wish this were feasible - Uber's approach of geofencing authorities to filter the internet for authorities - let them see what they want to see. And let the rest of us have a free internet.
- digi_owl 8y ago
  I seem to recall Bono went on record and praised the Chinese Firewall during a copyright hearing some years back...
  - acct1771 8y ago
    Bono being an authoritarian? Cmon.
- Latteland 8y ago
  I've got to believe that European people as a whole don't understand the implications of this. It's a really horrible thing - they should be protesting in the street about it.
  - DanBC 8y ago
    Which draft did you read? Could you link to it please?
  - ealhad 8y ago
    The people “as a whole” don't understand indeed, and this is rather problematic. Protesting in the street can get quite difficult when the media turn public opinion against you, while the state is sending troops equipped with “non-lethal” weapons.
  - kojon99 8y ago
    Who protested in the street when ISPs started sending letters to people who pirated content?
  - AstralStorm 8y ago
    We've been fighting these recurrent ideas time and again, mostly winning on technical grounds. This is pretty weak. Freedom is not a good argument against a torpedo that is "think of the children". We start by educating how expensive, impractical, unenforceable and ineffective such things are.
raverbashing 8y ago
Good!
wmil 8y ago
I don't think anyone honestly believes that this was "coincidental".
- rgbrenner 8y ago
  why not? They admit they uploaded copyrighted content... they just say they had a right to broadcast it. Content ID doesn't magically get a copy of all legal contracts you've signed.. it'll flag copyrighted content if the original author registered it.
  - ben_w 8y ago
    This happens with humans sometimes, too. Previous employer got a C&D letter from a client who had forgotten they had asked us to make and release an app for them with their logo and content. (No I will not say who).
- ben_w 8y ago
  Not “coincidental” so much as an inevitable outcome of failure to understand what they were asking for and/or thinking rules don’t apply to them. Happens a lot. In the 2010 UK elections, several MPs who voted for three-strikes rules on internet copyright violations were violating copyright themselves on their official websites. And then there’s the case of Matthew Garret and the MPAA: he filed a DMCA takedown notice against the MPAA because their anti-piracy toolkit violated his copyright/the GPL.
Zyst 8y ago
I think at some point the EU market might become something similar to China, where you don't offer your services at first, and once your service already becomes successful in the rest of the world you consider porting it over, if a clone hasn't popped up and grabbed market share in the meantime. Which might not necessarily be a huge negative for the users inside the EU, aside from people being unable to access things they want to access because of where they live. Which I'm hugely opposed to, in several ways. Either way, I'm conflicted about all the stuff going on in the EU. I haven't made up my mind as to which side I fall on, but I do hope they tread carefully.
- ealhad 8y ago
  As a EU citizen, I sure hope so. edit: my message seems to be confusing. I was answering the last sentence of the parent comment, saying that I hope as well that EU doesn't screw up.
  - semperdark 8y ago
    I'm sincerely interested in the motivation that leads to hoping your government controls what you may read. Is it protectionism? Shielding people from radicalization?
    - ealhad 8y ago
      > but I do hope they tread carefully. That's what I was referring to. I definitely don't want the government — any government — to control what I may read, or even to know it.
      - semperdark 8y ago
        Ah, I see now - sorry for the misunderstanding. I was so surprised by the post that I didn't stop to consider alternative meanings.
  - krick 8y ago
    I'm not sure if it would we a screw up. I mean, I actually liked early 2000-s, when Internet was kind of place of reigning anarchy as if there was no government and evil corporations, but let's just face it: it's long gone. Maybe there will be something else to offer the same kind of experience in the future, but it will never be the Web again, it's dead, taken by the enemy. Parents are home again. So, speaking about the least evil, you know, I would be actually glad, if Facebook (as it is now) would never enter the EU — and maybe somewhere across the ocean whole nations would be enslaved by it, I wouldn't care, because I don't have to use it, since my friends, local businesses and events don't force me to. In fact, it seems that it's finally the case when people around might have to be "protected", since they cannot make the right choice themselves, and push me to it, as a consequence. So, being quite a libertarian myself, given the imperfect situation I find myself in, I'm not sure I mind some government interference. I actually hate all these pop-up banners warning me about the cookie usage, and I'm not sure if GDPR (being vague and undefinitive it is) will turn out to be a good thing, and I sure hate this copyright filters thing. But I kind of like EU trying to force Internet-businesses to behave.
vezycash 8y ago
An uncensorable internet is sorely needed. Easy to setup and join - install an app and that's it. The current Internet's not anonymous. With sufficient motive and resource, anyone can be tracked. Thus, anonymity shouldn't be a priority here. Just make it fast, easy to use, and very difficult to take down (censor) stuff.
- lovich 8y ago
  That's only if you value privacy less than openness. With the GPDR the EU has decided they do not value this. Additionally that openness would have to apply to companies too. There is very little difference in results between a nation blocking you or Google blocking you right now, other than which boot is on your neck. You can get around both but they cut off a significant portion of the internet
  - ealhad 8y ago
    What part of the internet do I miss by avoiding Google?
    - Rotten194 8y ago
      - tons of unique content on Youtube - every Blogger blog - every website hosted on Google's cloud (quite a few) or using Google DNS - lots of unique Android apps that arent available on iOS because the barrier to entry is higher - emailing anyone with an @gmail address - working at any company using GApps etc.etc.
      - ealhad 8y ago
        I almost never stumble on Blogger blogs. Are there many? I'm grateful that Google launched Android, but now I can use it without their ”services” and use only (albeit maybe a few manufacturer binary blobs) Free Software. Gmail... Well, I don't use it, and altough not everybody wants to self-host, changing email provider (or having several) is easy. If a company uses GApps, it probably means I'm not working for it. ...I'd probably use a VPN to be able to watch YouTube, I am not ready to give it up yet. Alternatives are growing, though!
dang 8y ago
Url changed from https://boingboing.net/2018/06/17/three-days-left.html https://boingboing.net/2018/06/17/three-days-left.html, which points to this.
mr_toad 8y ago
Blocking EU users is completely beside the point. Youtube is already filtering this content because of US laws, not EU laws. There’s no point blocking EU users to avoid EU copyright laws when complying with the DCMA is just as bad.

125 points by mysterypie 8y ago

These guys basically want to recreate their own version of Chinese internet. I wish this were feasible - Uber's approach of geofencing authorities to filter the internet for authorities - let them see what they want to see. And let the rest of us have a free internet.

digi_owl 8y ago
I seem to recall Bono went on record and praised the Chinese Firewall during a copyright hearing some years back...
- acct1771 8y ago
  Bono being an authoritarian? Cmon.
Latteland 8y ago
I've got to believe that European people as a whole don't understand the implications of this. It's a really horrible thing - they should be protesting in the street about it.
- DanBC 8y ago
  Which draft did you read? Could you link to it please?
- ealhad 8y ago
  The people “as a whole” don't understand indeed, and this is rather problematic. Protesting in the street can get quite difficult when the media turn public opinion against you, while the state is sending troops equipped with “non-lethal” weapons.
- kojon99 8y ago
  Who protested in the street when ISPs started sending letters to people who pirated content?
- AstralStorm 8y ago
  We've been fighting these recurrent ideas time and again, mostly winning on technical grounds. This is pretty weak. Freedom is not a good argument against a torpedo that is "think of the children". We start by educating how expensive, impractical, unenforceable and ineffective such things are.

raverbashing 8y ago

Good!

wmil 8y ago

I don't think anyone honestly believes that this was "coincidental".

rgbrenner 8y ago
why not? They admit they uploaded copyrighted content... they just say they had a right to broadcast it. Content ID doesn't magically get a copy of all legal contracts you've signed.. it'll flag copyrighted content if the original author registered it.
- ben_w 8y ago
  This happens with humans sometimes, too. Previous employer got a C&D letter from a client who had forgotten they had asked us to make and release an app for them with their logo and content. (No I will not say who).
ben_w 8y ago
Not “coincidental” so much as an inevitable outcome of failure to understand what they were asking for and/or thinking rules don’t apply to them. Happens a lot. In the 2010 UK elections, several MPs who voted for three-strikes rules on internet copyright violations were violating copyright themselves on their official websites. And then there’s the case of Matthew Garret and the MPAA: he filed a DMCA takedown notice against the MPAA because their anti-piracy toolkit violated his copyright/the GPL.

Zyst 8y ago

I think at some point the EU market might become something similar to China, where you don't offer your services at first, and once your service already becomes successful in the rest of the world you consider porting it over, if a clone hasn't popped up and grabbed market share in the meantime. Which might not necessarily be a huge negative for the users inside the EU, aside from people being unable to access things they want to access because of where they live. Which I'm hugely opposed to, in several ways. Either way, I'm conflicted about all the stuff going on in the EU. I haven't made up my mind as to which side I fall on, but I do hope they tread carefully.

ealhad 8y ago
As a EU citizen, I sure hope so. edit: my message seems to be confusing. I was answering the last sentence of the parent comment, saying that I hope as well that EU doesn't screw up.
- semperdark 8y ago
  I'm sincerely interested in the motivation that leads to hoping your government controls what you may read. Is it protectionism? Shielding people from radicalization?
  - ealhad 8y ago
    > but I do hope they tread carefully. That's what I was referring to. I definitely don't want the government — any government — to control what I may read, or even to know it.
    - semperdark 8y ago
      Ah, I see now - sorry for the misunderstanding. I was so surprised by the post that I didn't stop to consider alternative meanings.
- krick 8y ago
  I'm not sure if it would we a screw up. I mean, I actually liked early 2000-s, when Internet was kind of place of reigning anarchy as if there was no government and evil corporations, but let's just face it: it's long gone. Maybe there will be something else to offer the same kind of experience in the future, but it will never be the Web again, it's dead, taken by the enemy. Parents are home again. So, speaking about the least evil, you know, I would be actually glad, if Facebook (as it is now) would never enter the EU — and maybe somewhere across the ocean whole nations would be enslaved by it, I wouldn't care, because I don't have to use it, since my friends, local businesses and events don't force me to. In fact, it seems that it's finally the case when people around might have to be "protected", since they cannot make the right choice themselves, and push me to it, as a consequence. So, being quite a libertarian myself, given the imperfect situation I find myself in, I'm not sure I mind some government interference. I actually hate all these pop-up banners warning me about the cookie usage, and I'm not sure if GDPR (being vague and undefinitive it is) will turn out to be a good thing, and I sure hate this copyright filters thing. But I kind of like EU trying to force Internet-businesses to behave.

vezycash 8y ago

An uncensorable internet is sorely needed. Easy to setup and join - install an app and that's it. The current Internet's not anonymous. With sufficient motive and resource, anyone can be tracked. Thus, anonymity shouldn't be a priority here. Just make it fast, easy to use, and very difficult to take down (censor) stuff.

lovich 8y ago
That's only if you value privacy less than openness. With the GPDR the EU has decided they do not value this. Additionally that openness would have to apply to companies too. There is very little difference in results between a nation blocking you or Google blocking you right now, other than which boot is on your neck. You can get around both but they cut off a significant portion of the internet
- ealhad 8y ago
  What part of the internet do I miss by avoiding Google?
  - Rotten194 8y ago
    - tons of unique content on Youtube - every Blogger blog - every website hosted on Google's cloud (quite a few) or using Google DNS - lots of unique Android apps that arent available on iOS because the barrier to entry is higher - emailing anyone with an @gmail address - working at any company using GApps etc.etc.
    - ealhad 8y ago
      I almost never stumble on Blogger blogs. Are there many? I'm grateful that Google launched Android, but now I can use it without their ”services” and use only (albeit maybe a few manufacturer binary blobs) Free Software. Gmail... Well, I don't use it, and altough not everybody wants to self-host, changing email provider (or having several) is easy. If a company uses GApps, it probably means I'm not working for it. ...I'd probably use a VPN to be able to watch YouTube, I am not ready to give it up yet. Alternatives are growing, though!

dang 8y ago

Url changed from https://boingboing.net/2018/06/17/three-days-left.html https://boingboing.net/2018/06/17/three-days-left.html, which points to this.

mr_toad 8y ago

Blocking EU users is completely beside the point. Youtube is already filtering this content because of US laws, not EU laws. There’s no point blocking EU users to avoid EU copyright laws when complying with the DCMA is just as bad.