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I appreciate your analysis but reject that it's 'lazy anti-americanism'. I've never heard anyone from Ireland use that term, and I've known a lot of people from

by orf 8y ago

I appreciate your analysis but reject that it's 'lazy anti-americanism'. I've never heard anyone from Ireland use that term, and I've known a lot of people from there and have visited a few times. Same for South Africa, but I have never travelled there. The core point is that while there are regional differences none of those countries have anywhere near the same level of media influence as America, so yes, it is an Americanism like it or not. And when writing an article literally about Football for an international audience published on the internet then just call it by its name not the regional one used locally. It seems lazy not to. Anyway it's just a pet peeve of mine (and plenty of others), it doesn't have to be logical.

eeeuo 8y ago
Take your pick of a prominent Irish or South African news website and go to the Sport section, they will almost always list the sport as "Soccer". The vast majority of takes on the Internet about the word soccer are lazy anti-Americanism. I accept that it's just a pet peeve for you, but I was addressing the general discourse on the term. With regards to 538 using the term soccer, it is explicitly an American website. 538 is the number of electors in the US electoral college. The majority of readers are American, therefore it seems reasonable to use the term soccer. You could argue that they should just use the term football and have the reader infer from context which sport it is, but then we wouldn't be having this discussion if you thought that was an acceptable solution :P
taejo 8y ago
I'm from South Africa. I think of "soccer" as the normal term; "football" is also common, and always used in formal contexts.
petecox 8y ago
It can hardly be an Americanism when it's used in other countries. As a Melburnian I take a passing interest every 4 years in the 'Socceroos' but we have our own code that dates back to the 1850s, with influences from the indigenous game of "Marngrook". Footy is footy, soccer is soccer and we find labels such as the 'world game' or 'beautiful game' rather quaint. Be aware that your language prescriptivism can be seen as a form of cultural imperialism.

by orf 8y ago

eeeuo 8y ago

Take your pick of a prominent Irish or South African news website and go to the Sport section, they will almost always list the sport as "Soccer". The vast majority of takes on the Internet about the word soccer are lazy anti-Americanism. I accept that it's just a pet peeve for you, but I was addressing the general discourse on the term. With regards to 538 using the term soccer, it is explicitly an American website. 538 is the number of electors in the US electoral college. The majority of readers are American, therefore it seems reasonable to use the term soccer. You could argue that they should just use the term football and have the reader infer from context which sport it is, but then we wouldn't be having this discussion if you thought that was an acceptable solution :P

taejo 8y ago

I'm from South Africa. I think of "soccer" as the normal term; "football" is also common, and always used in formal contexts.

petecox 8y ago

It can hardly be an Americanism when it's used in other countries. As a Melburnian I take a passing interest every 4 years in the 'Socceroos' but we have our own code that dates back to the 1850s, with influences from the indigenous game of "Marngrook". Footy is footy, soccer is soccer and we find labels such as the 'world game' or 'beautiful game' rather quaint. Be aware that your language prescriptivism can be seen as a form of cultural imperialism.