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I like wotlk better, I think it was the best expansion, and I’m sure wotlk servers have more players than vanilla servers now. I don’t know why they chose vanil

by vcfg 8y ago

I like wotlk better, I think it was the best expansion, and I’m sure wotlk servers have more players than vanilla servers now. I don’t know why they chose vanilla over wotlk. :/

makosdv 8y ago
A vocal minority of the community was pushing for vanilla. There was a somewhat popular (supposedly 150k active players) vanilla server setup by some people in the community (Nostalrius) that was shut down by Blizzard for copyright infringement. It's hard to say what Blizzard will do after they roll out the vanilla servers. They may create TBC, WotLK, etc. servers, or it may be a dud that they just shut down... I'm sure it will depend on how successful they are and how much effort is required to maintain the servers.
- maccard 8y ago
  I wonder how many of those 150k will convert to paying players.
  - nikanj 8y ago
    The cost of running WoW servers per player must have plummeted in 15 years, thanks to both better devops and better hardware. They might be ok with a freemium model.
    - falcolas 8y ago
      If they haven't moved WoW proper to a freemium model, I highly doubt they'll do it for Classic. Look at EQ. The base game is freemium, but if you want to play on the latest progression servers, you need to pay their subscription price.
- falcolas 8y ago
  There's also a vocal minority who are mad they're starting with 1.12; it has too many balancing changes for their taste. And another minority who wants the equivalent of EQ's progression servers - they don't want to be stuck at 1.12, they want all the same content releases again. And another minority who wants TBC. Another WotLK. Blizzard is going to be disappointing someone with every choice when it comes to classic. And a lot more people are going to be disappointed when they actually go and play that game. TBF, you couldn't pay me enough to go back and play a warlock with all the prep required to raid Molten Core (and all the "limited debuff slots" BS). That's a lie of course, I'd happily even mule a Paladin for your guild if you wish to pay me $300k+ a year.
thewizardofaus 8y ago
Wotlk was like heroin for teenage me.
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hugja 8y ago
This was my first thought too. Although I must admit I didn't play WoW until the release of BC (Burning Crusade) and stopped when Cata finished. So I never really got to experience what was special about Vanilla. More specifically for why I'd want WOTLK is for Arena. The last season was the most balanced that I ever experienced it and some of the most fun I've ever had playing WoW or any game in general. Jumping back to Vanilla one thing I hate about the current expansions is quest helper and honestly this rings true for other games (Destiny for example) as well. I think the lack of a quest/mission guide is a better experience for the player. I remember playing BC and had a blast trying to complete quest. You had to really pay attention and read the quest for specifics and clues to figure out what was needed or where to go. The completion of quest back then felt so rewarding. Now you just look at your map and follow the "little dotted line"[1] then rinse and repeat. This struggling with quest is what I'm most looking forward to with classic WoW. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzOCkXsyIqo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzOCkXsyIqo
- kbutler 8y ago
  But it will be very, very hard to keep that experience. Where you used to have to turn to other players for help, building those social relationships as they struggled through the same challenges, now the web environment surrounding the game has evolved with very complete documentation an alt-tab away, and all the other players have that as well.
  - masklinn 8y ago
    That was already the case back when WoW was first released. Everquest (1) got pretty extensively documented during its lifetime (and mapped, there were no in-game maps until the 4th expansion).
  - hugja 8y ago
    Oh most definitely! It's certainly not for everyone. I mean even back then, if I'm remembering correctly. There was a site called Thottbot for exactly that. Which I occasionally turned to when the quest was lacking in information. Even before Blizzard officially added a quest helper to the game there was a third party add-on. However, with sites like Thottbot you still had to investigate to figure out what you had to do and I think this still gives you sense of accomplishment over just being told what and where all the time. Edit: words

by vcfg 8y ago

I like wotlk better, I think it was the best expansion, and I’m sure wotlk servers have more players than vanilla servers now. I don’t know why they chose vanilla over wotlk. :/

makosdv 8y ago

A vocal minority of the community was pushing for vanilla. There was a somewhat popular (supposedly 150k active players) vanilla server setup by some people in the community (Nostalrius) that was shut down by Blizzard for copyright infringement. It's hard to say what Blizzard will do after they roll out the vanilla servers. They may create TBC, WotLK, etc. servers, or it may be a dud that they just shut down... I'm sure it will depend on how successful they are and how much effort is required to maintain the servers.

maccard 8y ago
I wonder how many of those 150k will convert to paying players.
- nikanj 8y ago
  The cost of running WoW servers per player must have plummeted in 15 years, thanks to both better devops and better hardware. They might be ok with a freemium model.
  - falcolas 8y ago
    If they haven't moved WoW proper to a freemium model, I highly doubt they'll do it for Classic. Look at EQ. The base game is freemium, but if you want to play on the latest progression servers, you need to pay their subscription price.
falcolas 8y ago
There's also a vocal minority who are mad they're starting with 1.12; it has too many balancing changes for their taste. And another minority who wants the equivalent of EQ's progression servers - they don't want to be stuck at 1.12, they want all the same content releases again. And another minority who wants TBC. Another WotLK. Blizzard is going to be disappointing someone with every choice when it comes to classic. And a lot more people are going to be disappointed when they actually go and play that game. TBF, you couldn't pay me enough to go back and play a warlock with all the prep required to raid Molten Core (and all the "limited debuff slots" BS). That's a lie of course, I'd happily even mule a Paladin for your guild if you wish to pay me $300k+ a year.

thewizardofaus 8y ago

Wotlk was like heroin for teenage me.

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hugja 8y ago

This was my first thought too. Although I must admit I didn't play WoW until the release of BC (Burning Crusade) and stopped when Cata finished. So I never really got to experience what was special about Vanilla. More specifically for why I'd want WOTLK is for Arena. The last season was the most balanced that I ever experienced it and some of the most fun I've ever had playing WoW or any game in general. Jumping back to Vanilla one thing I hate about the current expansions is quest helper and honestly this rings true for other games (Destiny for example) as well. I think the lack of a quest/mission guide is a better experience for the player. I remember playing BC and had a blast trying to complete quest. You had to really pay attention and read the quest for specifics and clues to figure out what was needed or where to go. The completion of quest back then felt so rewarding. Now you just look at your map and follow the "little dotted line"[1] then rinse and repeat. This struggling with quest is what I'm most looking forward to with classic WoW. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzOCkXsyIqo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzOCkXsyIqo

kbutler 8y ago
But it will be very, very hard to keep that experience. Where you used to have to turn to other players for help, building those social relationships as they struggled through the same challenges, now the web environment surrounding the game has evolved with very complete documentation an alt-tab away, and all the other players have that as well.
- masklinn 8y ago
  That was already the case back when WoW was first released. Everquest (1) got pretty extensively documented during its lifetime (and mapped, there were no in-game maps until the 4th expansion).
- hugja 8y ago
  Oh most definitely! It's certainly not for everyone. I mean even back then, if I'm remembering correctly. There was a site called Thottbot for exactly that. Which I occasionally turned to when the quest was lacking in information. Even before Blizzard officially added a quest helper to the game there was a third party add-on. However, with sites like Thottbot you still had to investigate to figure out what you had to do and I think this still gives you sense of accomplishment over just being told what and where all the time. Edit: words