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I'm simply being pragmatic. If that worked, if every intelligent being did the right thing we wouldn't have any problems at all, would we? Most people know that

I'm simply being pragmatic. If that worked, if every intelligent being did the right thing we wouldn't have any problems at all, would we? Most people know that driving a single occupant car to work every day is silly. But what can they do? Completely change their lifestyle while everyone else continues to operate as normal? Make a personal sacrifice for the benefit of those making no sacrifice at all? It will never work from the bottom up even if everyone agrees what the right thing is.

some_account 8y ago
You are responsible for what you do in your life. What other people do you have no responsibility for at all. Today, a lot of people don't take responsibility for their actions because nobody external is telling them to. This is being a toddler. You wait for some parent figure to tell you that you have to do something when you dont want to. Today, most of the western world are toddlers and its being programmed into us through movies and games as well. Because this is a state of mind that is super easy to control. You end up in consumer mode, wanting things that make your life easier. :)
- vertex-four 8y ago
  Unfortunately, we also live in a capitalist society where if you do something less “productive” than the next person, guess which person will have more opportunities?
- cup-of-tea 8y ago
  > What other people do you have no responsibility for at all. I might have no responsibility for it, but it affects me. If I choose to cycle to work I'll be a second class citizen on the road while people in cars pass me with little regard to my life. Why would I choose this? Why would anyone choose this? The answer is there is no reason to choose it, so people don't.
Certhas 8y ago
You're just ignoring the second half of my statement entirely. Changing your behaviour and taking political action to change the context of our behaviour are two sides of the same coin. If you're not willing to change your own behaviour, how are you expecting to change the states? This just ends up with you declaring: It's someone else problem to make me. That's not pragmatic. Unless you personally invest time and effort into political change to address these issues, it's just lazy and irresponsible. Just own that. I have adjusted some behaviours and still fall short in many other areas. Never said it was easy. But here is actually an example where it is easy. Take the train and little cost in time and money, while gaining comfort and productive time. And you're saying you can't even be expected to do that? That's just cynical and irrational.
- cup-of-tea 8y ago
  I am willing, but only if everyone else is too. I think that's how most people feel. When it comes to what transport mode is best for the environment I basically am a toddler. I don't actually know what's best. I need to be told what's best by one having a prohibitively high price. I don't even need to claim that it won't work, I can just point to evidence and you can see: it does not work. People are taking the plane because they can afford to.

some_account 8y ago

You are responsible for what you do in your life. What other people do you have no responsibility for at all. Today, a lot of people don't take responsibility for their actions because nobody external is telling them to. This is being a toddler. You wait for some parent figure to tell you that you have to do something when you dont want to. Today, most of the western world are toddlers and its being programmed into us through movies and games as well. Because this is a state of mind that is super easy to control. You end up in consumer mode, wanting things that make your life easier. :)

vertex-four 8y ago
Unfortunately, we also live in a capitalist society where if you do something less “productive” than the next person, guess which person will have more opportunities?
cup-of-tea 8y ago
> What other people do you have no responsibility for at all. I might have no responsibility for it, but it affects me. If I choose to cycle to work I'll be a second class citizen on the road while people in cars pass me with little regard to my life. Why would I choose this? Why would anyone choose this? The answer is there is no reason to choose it, so people don't.

Certhas 8y ago

You're just ignoring the second half of my statement entirely. Changing your behaviour and taking political action to change the context of our behaviour are two sides of the same coin. If you're not willing to change your own behaviour, how are you expecting to change the states? This just ends up with you declaring: It's someone else problem to make me. That's not pragmatic. Unless you personally invest time and effort into political change to address these issues, it's just lazy and irresponsible. Just own that. I have adjusted some behaviours and still fall short in many other areas. Never said it was easy. But here is actually an example where it is easy. Take the train and little cost in time and money, while gaining comfort and productive time. And you're saying you can't even be expected to do that? That's just cynical and irrational.

cup-of-tea 8y ago
I am willing, but only if everyone else is too. I think that's how most people feel. When it comes to what transport mode is best for the environment I basically am a toddler. I don't actually know what's best. I need to be told what's best by one having a prohibitively high price. I don't even need to claim that it won't work, I can just point to evidence and you can see: it does not work. People are taking the plane because they can afford to.