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> have no value to experienced users That's precisely his point: Experienced users deal well with open-source software, because much of that was designed with
by veddox 8y ago
> have no value to experienced users
That's precisely his point: Experienced users deal well with open-source software, because much of that was designed with them in mind. But in all too many cases, it doesn't play well with pretty much everybody else.
- mrob 8y agoBut office software is typically used in offices, and considering the enormous productivity gains from using it correctly, it makes sense for employers to either hire experienced users, or to train their inexperienced users. Tweaking the interface might help beginners feel more comfortable, but it won't make them work anywhere near as effectively as somebody who actually knows what they're doing.
- mehrdadn 8y ago> That's precisely his point: Experienced users deal well with open-source software, because much of that was designed with them in mind. I'd call myself experienced but I could never use Open/LibreOffice. It wasn't just the UI; they just couldn't even open MS Office documents without destroying half of their layouts.
- ams6110 8y agoWhen did you last try it? That certainly was the case 10 years ago or so, but current versions of Libre office at least in my experience, do pretty well with Microsoft Word layouts. My other observation was that a lot of the "formatting" that I see in office documents is unnecessary and only there because the software makes it easy.
- mehrdadn 8y ago> When did you last try it? That certainly was the case 10 years ago or so I tried it 5 minutes ago. Here's an example: https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1YHaKdXh2olSeVdX8ybhF1SG6fyDmDQV0 https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1YHaKdXh2olSeVdX8ybhF1SG6fyDm...
- DanBC 8y agoIs your link correct? Firefox on Linux tells me it's not redirecting correctly.
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- mehrdadn 8y agoYes it is (though a redirect loop wouldn't be in my control anyways). It works fine for me in both Chrome and Firefox on both Windows and WSL. Most likely you're blocking cookies or some Google domains or something. Try on a clean browser. Or try wget --content-disposition "$link"
- veddox 8y ago> My other observation was that a lot of the "formatting" that I see in office documents is unnecessary and only there because the software makes it easy. The problem with that statement is: if a colleague sends me his Word document, I don't care how unnecessary his formatting may or may not be, I want to see the stupid thing on my laptop, preferably in the same state he saved it in! And right now, LibreOffice rarely delivers on that.
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- Lio 8y agoHow much of that is down to Microsoft bribing people to support its own super complex, hard to implement standard OOXML in place of ODF? https://www.pcworld.com/article/136627/article.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/136627/article.html
- mehrdadn 8y agoI don't know.