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How about some reproduction first. I'm sorry, but we live in an age where decades old famous social sciences experiments are proved to be frauds. I have stopp

by 21 8y ago

How about some reproduction first. I'm sorry, but we live in an age where decades old famous social sciences experiments are proved to be frauds. I have stopped giving any credit to the various "scientific study proves X does/is Y in psychology/social sciences/diet". Every day we have a new "eating red cookies in the morning" makes you "less likely to lie" study.

aviv 8y ago
Modern science is largely fiction derived based on the results or propaganda piece sought by the funding party.
- Angostura 8y ago
  Would you care to stand-up that ludicrous statement?
  - aviv 8y ago
    Take for example most "scientific" research into anything related to health and nutrition. Most of what we think we know about health, proper food consumption and exercise is science fiction and speaks to the ultimate agenda of the funding or otherwise affiliated organizations behind a particular study or institution under which it takes place.
    - oculusthrift 8y ago
      But you said “modern science”, so I assume you can back up your claims in physics and chemistry as well?
      - aviv 8y ago
        My take on the fake modern science is based on decades of knowledge and experience in various fields, so yes, I can certainly back it up, but I'm not going to spend my afternoon doing this on an HN thread that ultimately gets me flagged and my content gets removed, as has been the case recently.
        shawn 8y ago
        HN loves nothing more than a contrarian statement backed with substance. If comments have been flagged, it’s usually due to a lack of effort. The effort is worthwhile.
        aviv 8y ago
        That has not been my experience. I have often written lengthy comments that simply explained my view on certain topics, and within a few minutes those got flagged which rendered them invisible to others. This place is like Reddit in that regard, when it comes to silencing non mainstream opposing views. I've been here 10 years now, and it's gotten progressively worse in that aspect.
        shawn 8y ago
        I read through your comment history to try to find some examples. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16928482 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16928482 There’s a recurring pattern: people ask you to back up what you say, and then you respond with “I won’t do that.”
        aviv 8y ago
        And my comment there stands. It's gotten worse since then, instead of downvotes I simply get flagged and my content disappears. No point.
        yorwba 8y ago
        There's also no point in posting that you wont post because of getting downvoted and flagged, because that post will also get downvoted and flagged. If you make a controversial claim backed up by sources, you will get negative reactions from people who doubt the validity of those sources. If you make a controversial claim and refuse to provide sources because people would doubt their validity, you'll get negative reactions even from someone who might have agreed with you, because that's just rude.
    - meiraleal 8y ago
      breakfast most important meal of the day, they say.
- mdpopescu 8y ago
  The only science you're allowed to be skeptical of (on HN) is science other people are also skeptical of, like (say) astrology. Anything else sees you downvoted and/or shadowbanned into oblivion. Groupthink is stronk on HN. (Intentional typo, I just like the word "stronk" for some reason. /grin)
  - detaro 8y ago
    Yeah, no. You should bring a bit more substance to your skepticism though than "All scientists are corrupt and serving some powerful interest" (presumably trying to sell one-room flats in this case?). Individual articles are criticized here all the time, especially if they are from the "softer" sciences.
  - xvvv 8y ago
    Yeah, except when one quotes critical papers from famous people (Sokal) that do exactly the same. That of course is upvoted. HN does not understand that no adult has sufficient time to refute any random paper in great detail.
Vinnl 8y ago
At a certain point I realised that I had to update my understanding of the term "prove" to mean "it's now more likely that x the case" rather than "they've found out that x is the case". Of course, the medium you're reading something in can give you extra reasons to be suspicious. An article about how some diet can give you magic powers is more likely to be there just to draw clicks and hence just based on a study that p-hacked its way into a correlation than an article about a new discovery on the LHC or something.
dmos62 8y ago
There's a problem that's increasingly relevant here on HN. It's commentors who only read the headline and leave a comment that is irrelevant and inadequate more often than not. I do wish we as a community would respond more to this. To respond to this particular comment, which hardly deserves a response: this isn't a study, none one of the listed assertions are made. This is a short, free-form article that presents an interpretation or examination of some aspects of our intellect.
- ianai 8y ago
  Your comment convinced me to actually read the link: you made it sound small enough to read with the time I’ve got now and that it wasn’t going to be hard to understand. Thank you.
- 21 8y ago
  I did read the article. And it is based on a scientific study. And it was discussed previously on HN. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-walking-through-doorway-makes-you-forget/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-walking-throu...
baxtr 8y ago
great point. btw: is there a list of experiments that have become mainstream beliefs and have proven to be wrong? I definitely know of the power posture and the fertile women wearing red dresses crap.
- lomnakkus 8y ago
  Stanford Prison Experiment.

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aviv 8y ago

Modern science is largely fiction derived based on the results or propaganda piece sought by the funding party.

Angostura 8y ago
Would you care to stand-up that ludicrous statement?
- aviv 8y ago
  Take for example most "scientific" research into anything related to health and nutrition. Most of what we think we know about health, proper food consumption and exercise is science fiction and speaks to the ultimate agenda of the funding or otherwise affiliated organizations behind a particular study or institution under which it takes place.
  - oculusthrift 8y ago
    But you said “modern science”, so I assume you can back up your claims in physics and chemistry as well?
    - aviv 8y ago
      My take on the fake modern science is based on decades of knowledge and experience in various fields, so yes, I can certainly back it up, but I'm not going to spend my afternoon doing this on an HN thread that ultimately gets me flagged and my content gets removed, as has been the case recently.
      - shawn 8y ago
        HN loves nothing more than a contrarian statement backed with substance. If comments have been flagged, it’s usually due to a lack of effort. The effort is worthwhile.
        aviv 8y ago
        That has not been my experience. I have often written lengthy comments that simply explained my view on certain topics, and within a few minutes those got flagged which rendered them invisible to others. This place is like Reddit in that regard, when it comes to silencing non mainstream opposing views. I've been here 10 years now, and it's gotten progressively worse in that aspect.
        shawn 8y ago
        I read through your comment history to try to find some examples. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16928482 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16928482 There’s a recurring pattern: people ask you to back up what you say, and then you respond with “I won’t do that.”
        aviv 8y ago
        And my comment there stands. It's gotten worse since then, instead of downvotes I simply get flagged and my content disappears. No point.
        yorwba 8y ago
        There's also no point in posting that you wont post because of getting downvoted and flagged, because that post will also get downvoted and flagged. If you make a controversial claim backed up by sources, you will get negative reactions from people who doubt the validity of those sources. If you make a controversial claim and refuse to provide sources because people would doubt their validity, you'll get negative reactions even from someone who might have agreed with you, because that's just rude.
  - meiraleal 8y ago
    breakfast most important meal of the day, they say.
mdpopescu 8y ago
The only science you're allowed to be skeptical of (on HN) is science other people are also skeptical of, like (say) astrology. Anything else sees you downvoted and/or shadowbanned into oblivion. Groupthink is stronk on HN. (Intentional typo, I just like the word "stronk" for some reason. /grin)
- detaro 8y ago
  Yeah, no. You should bring a bit more substance to your skepticism though than "All scientists are corrupt and serving some powerful interest" (presumably trying to sell one-room flats in this case?). Individual articles are criticized here all the time, especially if they are from the "softer" sciences.
- xvvv 8y ago
  Yeah, except when one quotes critical papers from famous people (Sokal) that do exactly the same. That of course is upvoted. HN does not understand that no adult has sufficient time to refute any random paper in great detail.

Vinnl 8y ago

At a certain point I realised that I had to update my understanding of the term "prove" to mean "it's now more likely that x the case" rather than "they've found out that x is the case". Of course, the medium you're reading something in can give you extra reasons to be suspicious. An article about how some diet can give you magic powers is more likely to be there just to draw clicks and hence just based on a study that p-hacked its way into a correlation than an article about a new discovery on the LHC or something.

dmos62 8y ago

There's a problem that's increasingly relevant here on HN. It's commentors who only read the headline and leave a comment that is irrelevant and inadequate more often than not. I do wish we as a community would respond more to this. To respond to this particular comment, which hardly deserves a response: this isn't a study, none one of the listed assertions are made. This is a short, free-form article that presents an interpretation or examination of some aspects of our intellect.

ianai 8y ago
Your comment convinced me to actually read the link: you made it sound small enough to read with the time I’ve got now and that it wasn’t going to be hard to understand. Thank you.
21 8y ago
I did read the article. And it is based on a scientific study. And it was discussed previously on HN. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-walking-through-doorway-makes-you-forget/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-walking-throu...

baxtr 8y ago

great point. btw: is there a list of experiments that have become mainstream beliefs and have proven to be wrong? I definitely know of the power posture and the fertile women wearing red dresses crap.

lomnakkus 8y ago
Stanford Prison Experiment.