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Every time the topic of H1B comes up, people bring up Infosys. Why is that? Why is nobody talking about the 100 thousand Indian students who come to US every ye

Every time the topic of H1B comes up, people bring up Infosys. Why is that? Why is nobody talking about the 100 thousand Indian students who come to US every year? Who is employing them? These students are one of the primary abusers of the H1B system. They go through lengths to stay in US. They will settle for low salary so that they don't have to leave the country. Literally every scam I saw in H1B is from body shops in US, not the Indian companies. Indian companies do abuse it, by forcing the employees to sign a bond that if they want to resign, they have to come back to India and serve a 3 months notice (I know a Indian arm of an American product company who is top 1 or 2 in what they do with a 12 months notice policy by the way) or pay 5-10 lakhs Indian rupee if they want their experience certificate. And the pay offered is also only half or less of what they charge the customer. >IT industry body Nasscom on Monday came out in defence of its members TCS and Infosys, saying the two accounted for only 7,504—8.8%—of the approved H1B visas in 2014-15. https://www.livemint.com/Industry/pHkRcTtIoKd8MkTkBNdtSN/Infosys-TCS-accounted-for-only-88-of-total-H1B-visasNass.html https://www.livemint.com/Industry/pHkRcTtIoKd8MkTkBNdtSN/Inf...

abc_lisper 8y ago
> Every time the topic of H1B comes up, people bring up Infosys. Why is that? They must be partial to Infosys. I mean, what did it do. https://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2017-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx https://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2017-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.asp... > These students are one of the primary abusers of the H1B system. Right, the startups in bay area, good groups at Apples, Googles and Facebooks of the world are filled with people from Infosys ;) >Literally every scam I saw in H1B is from body shops in US That's partially true; I will let it slide I understand you are frustrated, but you are barking up the wrong tree. The trouble is the easy jobs i.e, low-skilled in high-tech, are already filled. For example, see clouts of Infosys employees in some US companies. These days, people have two options, be really good at what they do, or find a clout to stick to. May be you had a hard time sticking to the Infosys clout(I am not surprised, given that you like to think). Don't blame it on others. If anything, most of the technically competent desi people in US have a US degree.
- mavelikara 8y ago
  > If anything, most of the technically competent desi people in US have a US degree. What I understood GP to be saying is that "most desi people in US having a US degree are technically incompetent". Both these view points are not incompatible, and true in my experience.
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  - abc_lisper 8y ago
    Good point!
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- throwaway12122 8y ago
  >They must be partial to Infosys. I mean, what did it do. https://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2017-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.asp.. https://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2017-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.asp.... I am not quite sure if LCA is an accurate metric of visa count. For example, I had my visa renewed 3 times so far. Every time, they filed for an LCA. I had to relocate one time. For that also, an LCA was filed. Then another one for my green card PERM or I-140 stage. People who come from India and work for TCS, Infosys etc end up relocating more often. Also, unlike American companies, visas are given to Indian companies only for 1-2 years and sometimes even less (American companies usually get for 3 years). Further, 25405 number doesn't mean they all were deputed from India. Indian companies hire a lot from US. They actually prefer hiring these students because they are desperate for a visa and are willing to settle for a lower salary. If they have to bring someone from India, they have to file the h1b application, hope they get into lottery and then only they can even think of putting them in a project. Most clients won't even want to wait that long unless they had been working on that project for a while and has acquired good knowledge. Where as for students, they can hire them, and file for h1b in the next few months (students get upto 18 months of something called OPT that allows them to work without h1b). This is precisely what's happening in my company. Same I heard is the case for Infosys. And these companies also hire people who are in the green card queue. >Right, the startups in bay area, good groups at Apples, Googles and Facebooks of the world are filled with people from Infosys ;) 100 thousand Indian students come to US every year. How many of them end up working in these companies? Your own list shows less than 15k. Among the deputed ones from India, the good ones never stay in the likes of Infosys. While I don't know anybody who went to Google or Facebook, I know a few who jumped from these Indian consultancies to Amazon, Intel and few other Silicon Valley companies. So, I don't think its fair to dismiss a person working for an Indian consultancy company as incompetent. My friend in Infosys was saying recently that a lot of people are joining Amazon and a few other companies like them these days. They can't be stupid if they are getting hired in these companies, right? Also, I was recently talking to 2 of my friends from Infosys on 2 separate occasions. Both said there teams were trying to hire people locally (Americans), and both had the same opinion as you about the people who came for interviews about skills and competency. > If anything, most of the technically competent desi people in US have a US degree. I actually developed a bad opinion of them based on their performance in my own company. People who end up in good colleges probably are good. But those who come from tier 2 and lower colleges are not going to be good just because they studied in a US college.

abc_lisper 8y ago

> Every time the topic of H1B comes up, people bring up Infosys. Why is that? They must be partial to Infosys. I mean, what did it do. https://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2017-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx https://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2017-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.asp... > These students are one of the primary abusers of the H1B system. Right, the startups in bay area, good groups at Apples, Googles and Facebooks of the world are filled with people from Infosys ;) >Literally every scam I saw in H1B is from body shops in US That's partially true; I will let it slide I understand you are frustrated, but you are barking up the wrong tree. The trouble is the easy jobs i.e, low-skilled in high-tech, are already filled. For example, see clouts of Infosys employees in some US companies. These days, people have two options, be really good at what they do, or find a clout to stick to. May be you had a hard time sticking to the Infosys clout(I am not surprised, given that you like to think). Don't blame it on others. If anything, most of the technically competent desi people in US have a US degree.

mavelikara 8y ago
> If anything, most of the technically competent desi people in US have a US degree. What I understood GP to be saying is that "most desi people in US having a US degree are technically incompetent". Both these view points are not incompatible, and true in my experience.
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- abc_lisper 8y ago
  Good point!
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throwaway12122 8y ago
>They must be partial to Infosys. I mean, what did it do. https://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2017-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.asp.. https://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2017-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.asp.... I am not quite sure if LCA is an accurate metric of visa count. For example, I had my visa renewed 3 times so far. Every time, they filed for an LCA. I had to relocate one time. For that also, an LCA was filed. Then another one for my green card PERM or I-140 stage. People who come from India and work for TCS, Infosys etc end up relocating more often. Also, unlike American companies, visas are given to Indian companies only for 1-2 years and sometimes even less (American companies usually get for 3 years). Further, 25405 number doesn't mean they all were deputed from India. Indian companies hire a lot from US. They actually prefer hiring these students because they are desperate for a visa and are willing to settle for a lower salary. If they have to bring someone from India, they have to file the h1b application, hope they get into lottery and then only they can even think of putting them in a project. Most clients won't even want to wait that long unless they had been working on that project for a while and has acquired good knowledge. Where as for students, they can hire them, and file for h1b in the next few months (students get upto 18 months of something called OPT that allows them to work without h1b). This is precisely what's happening in my company. Same I heard is the case for Infosys. And these companies also hire people who are in the green card queue. >Right, the startups in bay area, good groups at Apples, Googles and Facebooks of the world are filled with people from Infosys ;) 100 thousand Indian students come to US every year. How many of them end up working in these companies? Your own list shows less than 15k. Among the deputed ones from India, the good ones never stay in the likes of Infosys. While I don't know anybody who went to Google or Facebook, I know a few who jumped from these Indian consultancies to Amazon, Intel and few other Silicon Valley companies. So, I don't think its fair to dismiss a person working for an Indian consultancy company as incompetent. My friend in Infosys was saying recently that a lot of people are joining Amazon and a few other companies like them these days. They can't be stupid if they are getting hired in these companies, right? Also, I was recently talking to 2 of my friends from Infosys on 2 separate occasions. Both said there teams were trying to hire people locally (Americans), and both had the same opinion as you about the people who came for interviews about skills and competency. > If anything, most of the technically competent desi people in US have a US degree. I actually developed a bad opinion of them based on their performance in my own company. People who end up in good colleges probably are good. But those who come from tier 2 and lower colleges are not going to be good just because they studied in a US college.