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I tried to switch back to Firefox, but my password manager (lastpass) doesn’t work correctly, I guess the new extension APIs are too restrictiy. So, Chrome it i

I tried to switch back to Firefox, but my password manager (lastpass) doesn’t work correctly, I guess the new extension APIs are too restrictiy. So, Chrome it is.

Fnoord 8y ago
That's Firefox fault? Bitwarden works perfectly fine with the latest FF.
- twblalock 8y ago
  If I want to use LastPass (or any other popular extension), and it does not work in a particular browser, I don't care whose fault that is -- I won't use that browser. If Firefox is going to regain any of its former glory, it needs to be easy for people to switch to without making sacrifices.
  - Fnoord 8y ago
    It needs to be easy and clear for developers to port their extension. Ie. good documentation. Whether it is or not, I don't know. It feels unfair if you blame only Mozilla for your issue though. It only seems to be that way because Mozilla changed something. But developers knew well in advance about this change. If Photoshop doesn't work on the latest Windows version, do you blame Microsoft or Adobe? It'd depend on the nature of the issue but generally Microsoft allows developers to plan ahead. Why did an extension like Bitwarden (a one man project) get their shit together while LastPass (with a big corp like LogMeIn behind it) not? If it were the other way around, I'd have understanding. Also, Bitwarden is open source, cheaper than LastPass (half the price if you want 2FA), you can even run the cloud backend locally if you prefer, and you can convert from LastPass (its only a CSV IIRC). This comment on LastPass support forums sums it up: "I have had this submitted as a trouble ticket for almost a month now ... support simply sucks" [1] https://forums.lastpass.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=296945&start=150#p1006835 https://forums.lastpass.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=296945&star...
    - twblalock 8y ago
      > If Photoshop doesn't work on the latest Windows version, do you blame Microsoft or Adobe? It'd depend on the nature of the issue but generally Microsoft allows developers to plan ahead. A solution either works or it doesn't, and if it doesn't, blaming people doesn't solve anything. For example, if I needed to use Photoshop for my job and it did not work on Windows, I would have to use a Mac. I would have to do this even if it was solely Adobe's fault that Photoshop did not work on Windows. Deciding who to blame would not solve my problem.
      - Fnoord 8y ago
        > Deciding who to blame would not solve my problem. Well, you don't blame right away, you first try to solve the problem. If something doesn't work you contact a support dept. In this case you'd contact Adobe support since its their software. In Firefox example you'd contact LogMeIn since its their software. If Firefox explodes bunnies, you contact Mozilla but if your PC shoots lasers at bunnies you contact whoever you bought your PC from (e.g. Dell). If there's a package on Debian which doesn't work who I contact the package maintainer or the software developer? If I buy a car radio and it doesn't work on my car, who do I call? If I buy a Raspberry Pi and Linux stops working on it, who do I call? If you buy a vacuum cleaner from brand X and it doesn't work anymore, you go to the store and they arrange it for you because the deal is with them. The answer who to contact -and ultimately blame if the problem isn't solved- is the company you do directly business with. You bought a product from LastPass and subscribed to it; you pay for that, get them to fix their shit that's what you're paying for. A working product. Simple. Or, just do like I do, and switch from a product which got more than twice as expensive for zero benefit for the customer. Because if you don't switch you reward that shitty behavior.
Sylos 8y ago
Firefox's new extension API is Chrome's extension API + a few extra APIs. There's a handful of APIs that are actually Chrome/-ium specific, which made no sense porting to Firefox in the exact same way, but those should not be critical to the functioning of a password manager. The only way in which Firefox is actually more restrictive with extensions, is in requiring user opt-in for internet connections that are not necessary for the functioning of the extension (so that's usually telemetry or ads). But if LastPass refused to function because it can't send data back home that's not actually needed, and which it can't reasonably explain to users, or because it can't load third-party content from the internet, which would be a massive security hole, then I strongly advise using a different password manager. Overall, though, this sounds to me like LastPass is just too incompetent to port their extension, which again should not be hard as Firefox's extension API is essentially a superset of Chrome's.
- cpeterso 8y ago
  LastPass ran into some issues moving to the new WebExtension API last year, but it does support Firefox and is actively maintained. The most recent LastPass update was released just yesterday. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lastpass-password-manager/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lastpass-pass...

I tried to switch back to Firefox, but my password manager (lastpass) doesn’t work correctly, I guess the new extension APIs are too restrictiy. So, Chrome it is.

Fnoord 8y ago

That's Firefox fault? Bitwarden works perfectly fine with the latest FF.

twblalock 8y ago
If I want to use LastPass (or any other popular extension), and it does not work in a particular browser, I don't care whose fault that is -- I won't use that browser. If Firefox is going to regain any of its former glory, it needs to be easy for people to switch to without making sacrifices.
- Fnoord 8y ago
  It needs to be easy and clear for developers to port their extension. Ie. good documentation. Whether it is or not, I don't know. It feels unfair if you blame only Mozilla for your issue though. It only seems to be that way because Mozilla changed something. But developers knew well in advance about this change. If Photoshop doesn't work on the latest Windows version, do you blame Microsoft or Adobe? It'd depend on the nature of the issue but generally Microsoft allows developers to plan ahead. Why did an extension like Bitwarden (a one man project) get their shit together while LastPass (with a big corp like LogMeIn behind it) not? If it were the other way around, I'd have understanding. Also, Bitwarden is open source, cheaper than LastPass (half the price if you want 2FA), you can even run the cloud backend locally if you prefer, and you can convert from LastPass (its only a CSV IIRC). This comment on LastPass support forums sums it up: "I have had this submitted as a trouble ticket for almost a month now ... support simply sucks" [1] https://forums.lastpass.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=296945&start=150#p1006835 https://forums.lastpass.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=296945&star...
  - twblalock 8y ago
    > If Photoshop doesn't work on the latest Windows version, do you blame Microsoft or Adobe? It'd depend on the nature of the issue but generally Microsoft allows developers to plan ahead. A solution either works or it doesn't, and if it doesn't, blaming people doesn't solve anything. For example, if I needed to use Photoshop for my job and it did not work on Windows, I would have to use a Mac. I would have to do this even if it was solely Adobe's fault that Photoshop did not work on Windows. Deciding who to blame would not solve my problem.
    - Fnoord 8y ago
      > Deciding who to blame would not solve my problem. Well, you don't blame right away, you first try to solve the problem. If something doesn't work you contact a support dept. In this case you'd contact Adobe support since its their software. In Firefox example you'd contact LogMeIn since its their software. If Firefox explodes bunnies, you contact Mozilla but if your PC shoots lasers at bunnies you contact whoever you bought your PC from (e.g. Dell). If there's a package on Debian which doesn't work who I contact the package maintainer or the software developer? If I buy a car radio and it doesn't work on my car, who do I call? If I buy a Raspberry Pi and Linux stops working on it, who do I call? If you buy a vacuum cleaner from brand X and it doesn't work anymore, you go to the store and they arrange it for you because the deal is with them. The answer who to contact -and ultimately blame if the problem isn't solved- is the company you do directly business with. You bought a product from LastPass and subscribed to it; you pay for that, get them to fix their shit that's what you're paying for. A working product. Simple. Or, just do like I do, and switch from a product which got more than twice as expensive for zero benefit for the customer. Because if you don't switch you reward that shitty behavior.

Sylos 8y ago

Firefox's new extension API is Chrome's extension API + a few extra APIs. There's a handful of APIs that are actually Chrome/-ium specific, which made no sense porting to Firefox in the exact same way, but those should not be critical to the functioning of a password manager. The only way in which Firefox is actually more restrictive with extensions, is in requiring user opt-in for internet connections that are not necessary for the functioning of the extension (so that's usually telemetry or ads). But if LastPass refused to function because it can't send data back home that's not actually needed, and which it can't reasonably explain to users, or because it can't load third-party content from the internet, which would be a massive security hole, then I strongly advise using a different password manager. Overall, though, this sounds to me like LastPass is just too incompetent to port their extension, which again should not be hard as Firefox's extension API is essentially a superset of Chrome's.

cpeterso 8y ago
LastPass ran into some issues moving to the new WebExtension API last year, but it does support Firefox and is actively maintained. The most recent LastPass update was released just yesterday. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lastpass-password-manager/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lastpass-pass...