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Glass and washing powder? Is anyone out there that evil? I mean, there are countless cheap and benign white powders that can be used.. I've heard some storie

Glass and washing powder? Is anyone out there that evil? I mean, there are countless cheap and benign white powders that can be used.. I've heard some stories, but none as brutal as yours... just...wow.

blattimwind 8y ago
I've seen articles claiming that cocaine stretched with fentanyl has surfaced.
- megaman22 8y ago
  Yikes. I'd probably say that was laced, rather than stretched - stretching kind of implies dilution with inert material. Fetanyl is scary stuff
- geezerjay 8y ago
  For the curious but lazy like me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl
Fnoord 8y ago
Oh yes, and those are just 2 examples (there are less nefarious shit being put into it as well). The Dutch TV program Spuiten & Slikken (about sex & drugs, for youth) covered this in their series. They bought cocaine from the streets and had it analysed in a lab. The outcome wasn't well, purity-wise, although the sample size was IIRC 3. In general, I recommend users of recreational drugs to test their drugs (especially easy with e.g. XTC/MDMA just buy one extra pill; see below). Here's an example of such a service in The Netherlands (in Dutch) [1]. English webpage (different info but about the same subject) here [2]. The latter is very useful for e.g. tourists in Amsterdam. EDIT: Would like to add the following from [3]: "In order to test your drug, you need to bring at least one whole pill (logo clearly visible), 100mg of powder, 1 blotter or 2mililitre of fluid" EDIT: Here's more info available as well [4] EDIT: And I'd also like to add that contaminated XTC/MDMA has been found; e.g. with PM(M)A or mCPP. When that happens en masse you usually hear about it in the Dutch media. [1] https://www.jellinek.nl/informatie-over-alcohol-drugs/drugs-test-service/ https://www.jellinek.nl/informatie-over-alcohol-drugs/drugs-... [2] https://www.jellinek.nl/english/tourists/#drugpotency https://www.jellinek.nl/english/tourists/#drugpotency [3] https://www.jellinek.nl/vraag-antwoord/why-do-they-test-drugs-the-netherlands-and-how-does-it-work/ https://www.jellinek.nl/vraag-antwoord/why-do-they-test-drug... [4] https://www.unity.nl/en/themas/testservice/ https://www.unity.nl/en/themas/testservice/
pmoriarty 8y ago
"Is anyone out there that evil?" Well, not with cocaine, but the US Government has intentionally poisoned alcohol: "Frustrated that people continued to consume so much alcohol even after it was banned, federal officials had decided to try a different kind of enforcement. They ordered the poisoning of industrial alcohols manufactured in the United States, products regularly stolen by bootleggers and resold as drinkable spirits. The idea was to scare people into giving up illicit drinking. Instead, by the time Prohibition ended in 1933, the federal poisoning program, by some estimates, had killed at least 10,000 people."[1] [1] - http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2010/02/the_chemists_war.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_exa...
- wizardforhire 8y ago
  Speaking of poison alcohol... don’t use denatured alcohol! Splurge on everclear and use for you cleaning needs. Also and this should be a given but as far as skin care goes don’t put alcohol on your skin. I just discovered that this aloe Vera cream from Walgreens at my friends house has denatured alcohol in it! I threw it away and when they get back to town I’m scolding them! I don’t want my godson having that anywhere near him! The problem is denatured with what? The only reason for denaturing in this day is to avoid taxes, at the cost of real health risks. It’s barbaric that this is still a thing.
  - ramshorns 8y ago
    Alcohol (ethanol) is often denatured with methanol when sold for purposes other than drinking. This avoids the excise taxes and other restrictions on selling alcohol.
    - wizardforhire 8y ago
      I’m well aware. And methanol is some nasty stuff. Soldering is already toxic enough better to not have your hands soaking in methanol while you’re at it. Having a skin moisturizer with denatured alcohol in it is just crazy to me! And the only reason for denaturing is carry over laws from prohibition. Anybody whose dealt with addiction in they’re family knows how sinister and terrible alcohol abuse is. But in the most extreme cases denaturing does not deter people from drinking it! So we poison alcohol to pat ourselves on the back? I’m not ok with it, and I think people should be aware of how toxic denatured ethanol with methanol actually is.
protomyth 8y ago
Glass and washing powder? Is anyone out there that evil? Well, yes, they are criminals after all. Look at the history of meth for some truly evil ingredients.
- 4ad 8y ago
  This doesn't make any sense. It's in the financial interest of people selling you addictive drugs not to kill you. "But they are criminal" is no explanation.
  - protomyth 8y ago
    You (and I guess the load of downvoters) are making an assumption that drugs is like any other business and not a criminal enterprise[1]. For a lot of drug sellers, it is a customer acquisition game. You give a first sample and then get them addicted and then they spend all their money on the drug and then they are of no use to you. It really doesn't matter if you kill them at some point since they will be out of money anyway. It really is only in the drug dealers financial interest to keep you alive as long as you have money. Adding cheap additives to the product (regardless of the danger) is not really a problem. Adding additives that are even more addictive even if they are very dangerous is a bonus. 1) obviously, some like mj do fit into a normal keep customer happy business model
    - girvo 8y ago
      Nah, the whole “first hit free” thing is mostly bullshit. And dealers don’t want customers dropping dead: that brings the cops down on you like nobody’s business. Sincerely, an ex heroin addict who lived that shitty life for six years.
      - protomyth 8y ago
        > Nah, the whole “first hit free” thing is mostly bullshit. Nope, gotta say that's just a lie in my experience. > And dealers don’t want customers dropping dead plenty more saps out there and less witnesses sincerely, a person who grew up around this stuff on one of those places that gets talked about but ignored

blattimwind 8y ago

I've seen articles claiming that cocaine stretched with fentanyl has surfaced.

megaman22 8y ago
Yikes. I'd probably say that was laced, rather than stretched - stretching kind of implies dilution with inert material. Fetanyl is scary stuff
geezerjay 8y ago
For the curious but lazy like me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl

Fnoord 8y ago

Oh yes, and those are just 2 examples (there are less nefarious shit being put into it as well). The Dutch TV program Spuiten & Slikken (about sex & drugs, for youth) covered this in their series. They bought cocaine from the streets and had it analysed in a lab. The outcome wasn't well, purity-wise, although the sample size was IIRC 3. In general, I recommend users of recreational drugs to test their drugs (especially easy with e.g. XTC/MDMA just buy one extra pill; see below). Here's an example of such a service in The Netherlands (in Dutch) [1]. English webpage (different info but about the same subject) here [2]. The latter is very useful for e.g. tourists in Amsterdam. EDIT: Would like to add the following from [3]: "In order to test your drug, you need to bring at least one whole pill (logo clearly visible), 100mg of powder, 1 blotter or 2mililitre of fluid" EDIT: Here's more info available as well [4] EDIT: And I'd also like to add that contaminated XTC/MDMA has been found; e.g. with PM(M)A or mCPP. When that happens en masse you usually hear about it in the Dutch media. [1] https://www.jellinek.nl/informatie-over-alcohol-drugs/drugs-test-service/ https://www.jellinek.nl/informatie-over-alcohol-drugs/drugs-... [2] https://www.jellinek.nl/english/tourists/#drugpotency https://www.jellinek.nl/english/tourists/#drugpotency [3] https://www.jellinek.nl/vraag-antwoord/why-do-they-test-drugs-the-netherlands-and-how-does-it-work/ https://www.jellinek.nl/vraag-antwoord/why-do-they-test-drug... [4] https://www.unity.nl/en/themas/testservice/ https://www.unity.nl/en/themas/testservice/

pmoriarty 8y ago

"Is anyone out there that evil?" Well, not with cocaine, but the US Government has intentionally poisoned alcohol: "Frustrated that people continued to consume so much alcohol even after it was banned, federal officials had decided to try a different kind of enforcement. They ordered the poisoning of industrial alcohols manufactured in the United States, products regularly stolen by bootleggers and resold as drinkable spirits. The idea was to scare people into giving up illicit drinking. Instead, by the time Prohibition ended in 1933, the federal poisoning program, by some estimates, had killed at least 10,000 people."[1] [1] - http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2010/02/the_chemists_war.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_exa...

wizardforhire 8y ago
Speaking of poison alcohol... don’t use denatured alcohol! Splurge on everclear and use for you cleaning needs. Also and this should be a given but as far as skin care goes don’t put alcohol on your skin. I just discovered that this aloe Vera cream from Walgreens at my friends house has denatured alcohol in it! I threw it away and when they get back to town I’m scolding them! I don’t want my godson having that anywhere near him! The problem is denatured with what? The only reason for denaturing in this day is to avoid taxes, at the cost of real health risks. It’s barbaric that this is still a thing.
- ramshorns 8y ago
  Alcohol (ethanol) is often denatured with methanol when sold for purposes other than drinking. This avoids the excise taxes and other restrictions on selling alcohol.
  - wizardforhire 8y ago
    I’m well aware. And methanol is some nasty stuff. Soldering is already toxic enough better to not have your hands soaking in methanol while you’re at it. Having a skin moisturizer with denatured alcohol in it is just crazy to me! And the only reason for denaturing is carry over laws from prohibition. Anybody whose dealt with addiction in they’re family knows how sinister and terrible alcohol abuse is. But in the most extreme cases denaturing does not deter people from drinking it! So we poison alcohol to pat ourselves on the back? I’m not ok with it, and I think people should be aware of how toxic denatured ethanol with methanol actually is.

protomyth 8y ago

Glass and washing powder? Is anyone out there that evil? Well, yes, they are criminals after all. Look at the history of meth for some truly evil ingredients.

4ad 8y ago
This doesn't make any sense. It's in the financial interest of people selling you addictive drugs not to kill you. "But they are criminal" is no explanation.
- protomyth 8y ago
  You (and I guess the load of downvoters) are making an assumption that drugs is like any other business and not a criminal enterprise[1]. For a lot of drug sellers, it is a customer acquisition game. You give a first sample and then get them addicted and then they spend all their money on the drug and then they are of no use to you. It really doesn't matter if you kill them at some point since they will be out of money anyway. It really is only in the drug dealers financial interest to keep you alive as long as you have money. Adding cheap additives to the product (regardless of the danger) is not really a problem. Adding additives that are even more addictive even if they are very dangerous is a bonus. 1) obviously, some like mj do fit into a normal keep customer happy business model
  - girvo 8y ago
    Nah, the whole “first hit free” thing is mostly bullshit. And dealers don’t want customers dropping dead: that brings the cops down on you like nobody’s business. Sincerely, an ex heroin addict who lived that shitty life for six years.
    - protomyth 8y ago
      > Nah, the whole “first hit free” thing is mostly bullshit. Nope, gotta say that's just a lie in my experience. > And dealers don’t want customers dropping dead plenty more saps out there and less witnesses sincerely, a person who grew up around this stuff on one of those places that gets talked about but ignored