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There is not much to be gained by defending Microsoft. But from my view, my appreciation for their tooling is highly correlated with my own technical maturity.

There is not much to be gained by defending Microsoft. But from my view, my appreciation for their tooling is highly correlated with my own technical maturity. I spent about a decade primarily Mac, ran several Linux servers and developed from my Mac environment. But in the last few years I have switched to surface book and a windows development environment. It does not totally suck. Especially, now that I’ve got an Ubuntu logo in my taskbar. Actually, it’s awesome. Now, I’m running our production web app on python with gevent on windows server OS using IIS with a reverse proxy. Dead simple to setup. With windows server 2019 we can even use the subsystem for Linux in production. It’s just awesome while Apple only gives a damn if I’m building IOS crap. Did I ever think I’d be doing it like this? Hell no. But it works great. To me, people that bash anything and everything Microsoft tooling leads me to believe they have a lack of technical maturity.

ethanwillis 8y ago
To be fair, you have to have a high level of technical maturity to understand the Microsoft stack. The intricacy of Microsoft's software and philosophy is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of MCSE basics most of the concepts will go over the typical code monkey's head. There's also Satya Nadella's enterprise outlook, which is deftly woven into every email he sends. His signature draws from the Steve Ballmer speeches, for instance. The .NET guys understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to understand the depth of these software stacks, to realise that they're not just boilerplate - they say something deep about CRUD As a consequence people who dislike Microsoft truly ARE idiots - of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the FUD in Bill's anti-consumer catchphrase, "Embrace extend and extinguish," which itself is a cryptic reference to how Microsoft ruined consumer computing. And yes, by the way, i DO have a Microsoft logo tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the MS fanboys eyes only. And even they have to demonstrate that they love Microsoft's stack as much as I do by showing me their MS certifications beforehand. Nothing personal kids.
- sangnoir 8y ago
  Bravo on deftly treading the fine line between fanboi-zealotry and sarcasm: I couldn't tell which it was until the very end...I hope.
  - ufo 8y ago
    It is an old copypasta http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/to-be-fair-you-have-to-have-a-very-high-iq-to-understand-rick-and-morty?full=1 http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/to-be-fair-you-have-to-have-a-...
- Something1234 8y ago
  You're going to have to go in depth about what makes the Microsoft stack so beautiful. From the outside it looks likes it grown without a benevolent dictator to keep it in line, and there's way too many wrapper layers
  - dingo_bat 8y ago
    It's a copypasta https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/6qhyr3/rick_and_morty/ https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/6qhyr3/rick_and_...
    - Something1234 8y ago
      I don't really care. I can ask a copypasta to define themselves.
- mikec3010 8y ago
  Please don't turn hn into Reddit.
mixmastamyk 8y ago
With a few exceptions, the problem with MS has never been their technical chops. True, they've moved from a malignant stance to a more benign one recently, but their disregard for privacy and partnership with government should still make folks pause to consider. And pause we do.
- mattmanser 8y ago
  Yes, I certainly didn't mean that the tool was bad, I use VS and have recently switched to the github extension inside the editor from using a combo of GitHub Desktop (really easy to use, but also incredibly feature lacking, including the new version) and GitTortoise (pretty good but annoyingly reliant on right-clicking in explorer). I generally much prefer GUIs over command lines as I'm lazy and have a bad memory, so anything off the beaten path involves loads of unnecessary googling to remind me of the right invocation to the CLI gods. I'd avoided using it for so long because of bad memories of using TFS, but I must admit it's pretty good for generally using git, with only a few minor UI gripes. I must admit I haven't had to do a merge yet because I'm flying solo on my newest project, which is usually the big test.
someone454 8y ago
Or they remember the 90’s and early 0x’s. MS has made a mess of many a fine piece of software in their efforts to ‘integrate’ it with their other offerings.

ethanwillis 8y ago

To be fair, you have to have a high level of technical maturity to understand the Microsoft stack. The intricacy of Microsoft's software and philosophy is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of MCSE basics most of the concepts will go over the typical code monkey's head. There's also Satya Nadella's enterprise outlook, which is deftly woven into every email he sends. His signature draws from the Steve Ballmer speeches, for instance. The .NET guys understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to understand the depth of these software stacks, to realise that they're not just boilerplate - they say something deep about CRUD As a consequence people who dislike Microsoft truly ARE idiots - of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the FUD in Bill's anti-consumer catchphrase, "Embrace extend and extinguish," which itself is a cryptic reference to how Microsoft ruined consumer computing. And yes, by the way, i DO have a Microsoft logo tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the MS fanboys eyes only. And even they have to demonstrate that they love Microsoft's stack as much as I do by showing me their MS certifications beforehand. Nothing personal kids.

sangnoir 8y ago
Bravo on deftly treading the fine line between fanboi-zealotry and sarcasm: I couldn't tell which it was until the very end...I hope.
- ufo 8y ago
  It is an old copypasta http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/to-be-fair-you-have-to-have-a-very-high-iq-to-understand-rick-and-morty?full=1 http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/to-be-fair-you-have-to-have-a-...
Something1234 8y ago
You're going to have to go in depth about what makes the Microsoft stack so beautiful. From the outside it looks likes it grown without a benevolent dictator to keep it in line, and there's way too many wrapper layers
- dingo_bat 8y ago
  It's a copypasta https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/6qhyr3/rick_and_morty/ https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/6qhyr3/rick_and_...
  - Something1234 8y ago
    I don't really care. I can ask a copypasta to define themselves.
mikec3010 8y ago
Please don't turn hn into Reddit.

mixmastamyk 8y ago

With a few exceptions, the problem with MS has never been their technical chops. True, they've moved from a malignant stance to a more benign one recently, but their disregard for privacy and partnership with government should still make folks pause to consider. And pause we do.

mattmanser 8y ago
Yes, I certainly didn't mean that the tool was bad, I use VS and have recently switched to the github extension inside the editor from using a combo of GitHub Desktop (really easy to use, but also incredibly feature lacking, including the new version) and GitTortoise (pretty good but annoyingly reliant on right-clicking in explorer). I generally much prefer GUIs over command lines as I'm lazy and have a bad memory, so anything off the beaten path involves loads of unnecessary googling to remind me of the right invocation to the CLI gods. I'd avoided using it for so long because of bad memories of using TFS, but I must admit it's pretty good for generally using git, with only a few minor UI gripes. I must admit I haven't had to do a merge yet because I'm flying solo on my newest project, which is usually the big test.

someone454 8y ago

Or they remember the 90’s and early 0x’s. MS has made a mess of many a fine piece of software in their efforts to ‘integrate’ it with their other offerings.