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Why are you assuming that the causal factor is with the framework? The reason they're shitty is because they're heavier weight and "mobile first" usually comes

Why are you assuming that the causal factor is with the framework? The reason they're shitty is because they're heavier weight and "mobile first" usually comes with a certain amount of tradeoffs for other devices. React in and of itself as a means of managing data flow is very elegant IMO. It just happens that if you tell any random group of engineers to do a full rewrite, they're going to settle on whatever is currently popular.

TekMol 8y ago
For now I am assuming nothing. I just ask for examples of user friendly sites made with react.
- yzmtf2008 8y ago
  > I assume nothing > every time a site gets reimplemented in react, it gets worse
  - TekMol 8y ago
    That's an observation. And nobody came up with a counterexample yet.
    - raarts 8y ago
      > every time I see a site that was reimplemented in react, it looks worse to me _That_ is an observation. You stated a fact, which you derived from your observations.
    - andrewingram 8y ago
      Either the question is disingenuous, or you just don't understand that the choice of UI framework (such as React) has no significant impact on the visual design of a site or app. There are caveats, because certain paradigms can make implementing certain designs more challenging, but for the most part they are unrelated.
      - ricardobeat 8y ago
        Now you are assuming he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. The choice of framework can certainly affect performance, especially for UI interactions (which is the case with reddit), and might encourage patterns (for example, async loading everything) that can have significant impact on the user experience.
- vinceguidry 8y ago
  We made greatbigstory.com with React. It's not the best website around, but you should have seen it before we got our grubby mitts on it.
  - aarpmcgee 8y ago
    Nice website!
    - vinceguidry 8y ago
      Thanks!
  - chrisco255 8y ago
    FYI, you're using the development build of React in production. Switching to prod version for your deployed site should yield some performance gains.
- chrisco255 8y ago
  Instagram, Twitter's mobile site (mobile.twitter.com/home), React's own documentation page, Facebook itself, Wolfram Alpha, CoinBase, WordPress, CodeAcademy, Atlassian, http://builtwithreact.io/ http://builtwithreact.io/ thousands of other sites. What a weird and lazy comment. UX is completely orthogonal to the tech driving it except where performance is concerned.
imh 8y ago
One factor that the framework makes worse is linking and tabs. The further everything goes towards single page apps, the harder it is to bookmark things or open them in new tabs. The frameworks people use to make single page apps usually come with tools to give everything urls and solve this problem, but using those is more work for the devs, so the tendency is for things to become harder to open in a new tab or come back to.

TekMol 8y ago

For now I am assuming nothing. I just ask for examples of user friendly sites made with react.

yzmtf2008 8y ago
> I assume nothing > every time a site gets reimplemented in react, it gets worse
- TekMol 8y ago
  That's an observation. And nobody came up with a counterexample yet.
  - raarts 8y ago
    > every time I see a site that was reimplemented in react, it looks worse to me _That_ is an observation. You stated a fact, which you derived from your observations.
  - andrewingram 8y ago
    Either the question is disingenuous, or you just don't understand that the choice of UI framework (such as React) has no significant impact on the visual design of a site or app. There are caveats, because certain paradigms can make implementing certain designs more challenging, but for the most part they are unrelated.
    - ricardobeat 8y ago
      Now you are assuming he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. The choice of framework can certainly affect performance, especially for UI interactions (which is the case with reddit), and might encourage patterns (for example, async loading everything) that can have significant impact on the user experience.
vinceguidry 8y ago
We made greatbigstory.com with React. It's not the best website around, but you should have seen it before we got our grubby mitts on it.
- aarpmcgee 8y ago
  Nice website!
  - vinceguidry 8y ago
    Thanks!
- chrisco255 8y ago
  FYI, you're using the development build of React in production. Switching to prod version for your deployed site should yield some performance gains.
chrisco255 8y ago
Instagram, Twitter's mobile site (mobile.twitter.com/home), React's own documentation page, Facebook itself, Wolfram Alpha, CoinBase, WordPress, CodeAcademy, Atlassian, http://builtwithreact.io/ http://builtwithreact.io/ thousands of other sites. What a weird and lazy comment. UX is completely orthogonal to the tech driving it except where performance is concerned.

imh 8y ago

One factor that the framework makes worse is linking and tabs. The further everything goes towards single page apps, the harder it is to bookmark things or open them in new tabs. The frameworks people use to make single page apps usually come with tools to give everything urls and solve this problem, but using those is more work for the devs, so the tendency is for things to become harder to open in a new tab or come back to.