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How much of an impact it has is debatable, but the academic consensus is that it is relevant. If you trust your own experiences and opinions more than the curre

How much of an impact it has is debatable, but the academic consensus is that it is relevant. If you trust your own experiences and opinions more than the current research, there isn't much I can do to convince you otherwise. >It's almost insulting to think that dialect matters that much considering how much exposure everyone gets to the mainstream dialect. Whether it's insulting is irrelevant to whether it's true. >In China they've got a standard dialect and there doesn't appear to be any advantage for those that are from the area north of Beijing where the dialect originates. I'd be interested to know what your basing this assertion on. Gaokao scores in Beijing are distorted by families who try to move there from other areas to take the test and migration in general. Combined with with relative lack of reliable data, I'm not sure how you could confidently make this claim.

colordrops 8y ago
Do you have a link to the study? I'm curious what "relevant" means in this case. From the beginning I've not denied that dialect can have an effect, only that I believe it to overwhelmed by a sea of countless other factors that cause someone to succeed or fail at getting into college, and I haven't seen any data that shows that it is the prevailing factor and one that truly matters. The subtext to my comments is that this a debatable point, and I interjected because others were throwing veiled insults and calls of racism at anyone who tries to discuss this, which is an unfair way to shut conversation down.
- learc83 8y ago
  >only that I believe it to overwhelmed by a sea of countless other factors that cause someone to succeed or fail at getting into college Yes it can be and is at an individual level. If you removed 50 points from every Black student's SAT score just because they were Black, there would still be countless other factors that caused them to succeed for fail at getting into college. Their being Black wouldn't be the largest factor (family income still would be). But across the entire population, you would see a significant drop in the number of Black students in college. As to a link: Here's a link and a quote from the abstract of a relevant metastudy https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26090843 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26090843 "The results showed a negative and moderate relationship between dialect use and overall literacy performance (M effect size = -0.33) and for dialect and reading (M effect size = -0.32). For spelling and writing, the relationship was negative and small (M effect size = -0.22). Moderator analyses revealed that socioeconomic status and grade level were not significant predictors for relations among dialect use and literacy skills."

colordrops 8y ago

Do you have a link to the study? I'm curious what "relevant" means in this case. From the beginning I've not denied that dialect can have an effect, only that I believe it to overwhelmed by a sea of countless other factors that cause someone to succeed or fail at getting into college, and I haven't seen any data that shows that it is the prevailing factor and one that truly matters. The subtext to my comments is that this a debatable point, and I interjected because others were throwing veiled insults and calls of racism at anyone who tries to discuss this, which is an unfair way to shut conversation down.

learc83 8y ago
>only that I believe it to overwhelmed by a sea of countless other factors that cause someone to succeed or fail at getting into college Yes it can be and is at an individual level. If you removed 50 points from every Black student's SAT score just because they were Black, there would still be countless other factors that caused them to succeed for fail at getting into college. Their being Black wouldn't be the largest factor (family income still would be). But across the entire population, you would see a significant drop in the number of Black students in college. As to a link: Here's a link and a quote from the abstract of a relevant metastudy https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26090843 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26090843 "The results showed a negative and moderate relationship between dialect use and overall literacy performance (M effect size = -0.33) and for dialect and reading (M effect size = -0.32). For spelling and writing, the relationship was negative and small (M effect size = -0.22). Moderator analyses revealed that socioeconomic status and grade level were not significant predictors for relations among dialect use and literacy skills."