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Manfort [not Cohen, as I originally wrote, but Manafort] had his message stored on iCloud. That turned out to be part of how the FBI was able to recover them s

Manfort [not Cohen, as I originally wrote, but Manafort] had his message stored on iCloud. That turned out to be part of how the FBI was able to recover them so easily. https://gizmodo.com/paul-manafort-learns-that-encrypting-messages-doesnt-ma-1826561511 https://gizmodo.com/paul-manafort-learns-that-encrypting-mes...

wpdev_63 8y ago
Well I am not sure about blackberry but android and ios are fully compromised[0]. 0:https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/ https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/?
- AFNobody 8y ago
  Blackberry is just a skin of Android these days.
- tptacek 8y ago
  This link doesn't say anything remotely like that.
  - wpdev_63 8y ago
    If you actually read down to the cellphone section, it says the cia/nsa/fbi have tools to gain access to cellphones remotely. Everything on your phone is up for grabs.
bilbo0s 8y ago
"...Cohen's messages were stored on iCloud..." ??? Your comment had me struggling to determine how one could store WhatsApp messages on iCloud. (From a Blackberry no less.) But then I followed your link. I don't think that article was about Cohen. You may want to change your post. On an equally important note, why is it that people out there assume that ANY form of electronic communication is impervious from government surveillance? The reality is that if a three letter agency is after you, it's probably unwise to be using WhatsApp and Signal in an incriminating fashion. (Or anything else for that matter.) It's like locking your physical spaces. Yeah, you should go ahead and lock your house or office and turn on the alarm system while you're gone... but you should also go ahead and assume that those three letter agencies planted surveillance devices in that house or office even in the face of your security measures.
- williamscales 8y ago
  It may be referring to the fact that WhatsApp has a cloud backup feature built in to the app that keeps a copy of your messages in a cloud storage provider. The Android app at least explicitly warns you that this database is not end-to-end encrypted and that doing this backup defeats the point of the encryption.
- ohtwenty 8y ago
  >On an equally important note, why is it that people out there assume that ANY form of electronic communication is impervious from government surveillance? The reality is that if a three letter agency is after you, it's probably unwise to be using WhatsApp and Signal in an incriminating fashion. (Or anything else for that matter.) Signal has a feature for self-destroying messages (on-read, or after x amount of time). Seems like that could've been used and it wouldn't have lead to this right here.
  - bilbo0s 8y ago
    Point is that the messages still have to go over the public networks, so if three letter agencies have you under surveillance, you should assume they're gonna get everything you're saying. You should NOT just say, "well, I'm using encryption so I'm golden."

wpdev_63 8y ago

Well I am not sure about blackberry but android and ios are fully compromised[0]. 0:https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/ https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/?

AFNobody 8y ago
Blackberry is just a skin of Android these days.
tptacek 8y ago
This link doesn't say anything remotely like that.
- wpdev_63 8y ago
  If you actually read down to the cellphone section, it says the cia/nsa/fbi have tools to gain access to cellphones remotely. Everything on your phone is up for grabs.

bilbo0s 8y ago

"...Cohen's messages were stored on iCloud..." ??? Your comment had me struggling to determine how one could store WhatsApp messages on iCloud. (From a Blackberry no less.) But then I followed your link. I don't think that article was about Cohen. You may want to change your post. On an equally important note, why is it that people out there assume that ANY form of electronic communication is impervious from government surveillance? The reality is that if a three letter agency is after you, it's probably unwise to be using WhatsApp and Signal in an incriminating fashion. (Or anything else for that matter.) It's like locking your physical spaces. Yeah, you should go ahead and lock your house or office and turn on the alarm system while you're gone... but you should also go ahead and assume that those three letter agencies planted surveillance devices in that house or office even in the face of your security measures.

williamscales 8y ago
It may be referring to the fact that WhatsApp has a cloud backup feature built in to the app that keeps a copy of your messages in a cloud storage provider. The Android app at least explicitly warns you that this database is not end-to-end encrypted and that doing this backup defeats the point of the encryption.
ohtwenty 8y ago
>On an equally important note, why is it that people out there assume that ANY form of electronic communication is impervious from government surveillance? The reality is that if a three letter agency is after you, it's probably unwise to be using WhatsApp and Signal in an incriminating fashion. (Or anything else for that matter.) Signal has a feature for self-destroying messages (on-read, or after x amount of time). Seems like that could've been used and it wouldn't have lead to this right here.
- bilbo0s 8y ago
  Point is that the messages still have to go over the public networks, so if three letter agencies have you under surveillance, you should assume they're gonna get everything you're saying. You should NOT just say, "well, I'm using encryption so I'm golden."