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I am assuming they had some of the best people in the field working on these. Makes me wonder how much the employees were aware of the company's situation, and

I am assuming they had some of the best people in the field working on these. Makes me wonder how much the employees were aware of the company's situation, and the infeasibility of some of these goals.

icantdrive55 8y ago
I have found that most people go along with the herd when it comes to money, and career. Those that claim, "Not me!", are usually the last to raise their hand. I have seen so many people con other people legally, and 1 out of a 100-1000 will even bring up the immoral/unethical behavior. I walked out of Chiropractic School in the ninties after realizing it's a scam. The Subluxation is exceptionally rare. I knew, along with my classmates that it was all a big scam, but we were invested. A New Yorker, and myself were the only ones raising our hands when the instructor would say something rediculious like, "Chiropractic has over 17 different upper cervicsl techniques, and they all work equally well." Yea--Placbo Effect was a bad word. In all honesty, it took a nervous breakdown to completely see the light. I knew all along it was a sham, but figured I would be different Chiropractor. I would use the non-force techniques on patients, and refer if anyone didn't respond to my harmless placebo treatments. In the end, I just walked, but took away something about human nature. Career, and money will cause most of you to look the other way.
kwindla 8y ago
Very aware, but information was strictly compartmentalized inside the company so individual employees had to figure out that things were badly wrong in different ways, depending on what their roles were and when in the lifecycle of the company they were there. Overall, though, the employee turnover was insane. As someone who has spent a lot of time around startups, the amount of employee turnover was one of the craziest -- indicative in hindsight -- things in John Carreyrou's extremely well-reported book, "Bad Blood." Most startup boards would have looked at that level of employee turnover and realized that there was something much worse going on than a young founder without much management experience doing a poor job at hiring and retention. But the board apparently didn't get very much information about the actual operation of company, didn't push for more, and didn't question or dig into what they did get.
- microtherion 8y ago
  What I found most appalling about the behavior described in the book, and maybe among the most probative in the criminal case, is the heavy handed use of legal threats to stop employees from talking and negative reporting. I'm willing to forgive quite a bit of "fake it till you make it" flim-flam, but anybody who uses such strong-arm tactics deserves having the book thrown at them.
  - kwindla 8y ago
    I completely agree.

icantdrive55 8y ago

I have found that most people go along with the herd when it comes to money, and career. Those that claim, "Not me!", are usually the last to raise their hand. I have seen so many people con other people legally, and 1 out of a 100-1000 will even bring up the immoral/unethical behavior. I walked out of Chiropractic School in the ninties after realizing it's a scam. The Subluxation is exceptionally rare. I knew, along with my classmates that it was all a big scam, but we were invested. A New Yorker, and myself were the only ones raising our hands when the instructor would say something rediculious like, "Chiropractic has over 17 different upper cervicsl techniques, and they all work equally well." Yea--Placbo Effect was a bad word. In all honesty, it took a nervous breakdown to completely see the light. I knew all along it was a sham, but figured I would be different Chiropractor. I would use the non-force techniques on patients, and refer if anyone didn't respond to my harmless placebo treatments. In the end, I just walked, but took away something about human nature. Career, and money will cause most of you to look the other way.

kwindla 8y ago

Very aware, but information was strictly compartmentalized inside the company so individual employees had to figure out that things were badly wrong in different ways, depending on what their roles were and when in the lifecycle of the company they were there. Overall, though, the employee turnover was insane. As someone who has spent a lot of time around startups, the amount of employee turnover was one of the craziest -- indicative in hindsight -- things in John Carreyrou's extremely well-reported book, "Bad Blood." Most startup boards would have looked at that level of employee turnover and realized that there was something much worse going on than a young founder without much management experience doing a poor job at hiring and retention. But the board apparently didn't get very much information about the actual operation of company, didn't push for more, and didn't question or dig into what they did get.

microtherion 8y ago
What I found most appalling about the behavior described in the book, and maybe among the most probative in the criminal case, is the heavy handed use of legal threats to stop employees from talking and negative reporting. I'm willing to forgive quite a bit of "fake it till you make it" flim-flam, but anybody who uses such strong-arm tactics deserves having the book thrown at them.
- kwindla 8y ago
  I completely agree.