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My wife thinks this is a terrible idea, why should she suffer through my depressed wages to pay for two income families to be subsidized to having dual leave fo

by wincy 8y ago

My wife thinks this is a terrible idea, why should she suffer through my depressed wages to pay for two income families to be subsidized to having dual leave for children? This leave doesn’t come for free. Why should she pay for that when she chooses not to work?

jonathankoren 8y ago
What? It’s paid leave. You get your whole salary, but you don’t come to work.
- sokoloff 8y ago
  Yes, and where do you imagine the money comes from?
  - jschwartzi 8y ago
    From all of us single people who are likely never going to have children. I'm fine with that. Hell, you can take it out of the mortgage interest deduction that I will never get.
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  - krschultz 8y ago
    If you're going to make a financial argument (as opposed to the moral one), you should take a look at how we fund entitlements in this country. You want population growth. The financial disincentive for having kids is a real problem.
    - vkou 8y ago
      If you want to make an economic argument, we don't want exponential population growth, unless you are looking forward to an unmitigated ecological disaster. You want a steady population level, whether via births, or immigration, or both.
    - quadrangle 8y ago
      If we actually take long-term economics in mind (broadly, the opportunity-cost and overall net effect style of economics, not the myopic just-count-real-dollars one), then we do NOT want population growth. We don't want an aging population that has to be supported by a shrinking working-age population, but we don't want to be trapped in a growth bubble either. We want sustainable population with ever increasing quality of life due to scientific and technological advancement. Population growth might be truly desired if we get to colonizing other planets…
  - jonathankoren 8y ago
    YOUR SALARY! Let’s stop pretending that this is some fantastical idea. Good employers in the United States do this today. Employers across the world do much more than this. Or perhaps you’re ignorant of Sweden’s 240 days of paid parental leave per parent? https://sweden.se/quickfact/parental-leave/ https://sweden.se/quickfact/parental-leave/
cortesoft 8y ago
What about if non-working moms also got the paid leave? Basically get a wage for the first six months? We could cap it to only 2 or 3 times per person, to prevent someone just having a bunch of kids for money (although, as a parent, the idea that six months of salary would make having a kid financially beneficial is laughable)

by wincy 8y ago

jonathankoren 8y ago

What? It’s paid leave. You get your whole salary, but you don’t come to work.

sokoloff 8y ago
Yes, and where do you imagine the money comes from?
- jschwartzi 8y ago
  From all of us single people who are likely never going to have children. I'm fine with that. Hell, you can take it out of the mortgage interest deduction that I will never get.
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- krschultz 8y ago
  If you're going to make a financial argument (as opposed to the moral one), you should take a look at how we fund entitlements in this country. You want population growth. The financial disincentive for having kids is a real problem.
  - vkou 8y ago
    If you want to make an economic argument, we don't want exponential population growth, unless you are looking forward to an unmitigated ecological disaster. You want a steady population level, whether via births, or immigration, or both.
  - quadrangle 8y ago
    If we actually take long-term economics in mind (broadly, the opportunity-cost and overall net effect style of economics, not the myopic just-count-real-dollars one), then we do NOT want population growth. We don't want an aging population that has to be supported by a shrinking working-age population, but we don't want to be trapped in a growth bubble either. We want sustainable population with ever increasing quality of life due to scientific and technological advancement. Population growth might be truly desired if we get to colonizing other planets…
- jonathankoren 8y ago
  YOUR SALARY! Let’s stop pretending that this is some fantastical idea. Good employers in the United States do this today. Employers across the world do much more than this. Or perhaps you’re ignorant of Sweden’s 240 days of paid parental leave per parent? https://sweden.se/quickfact/parental-leave/ https://sweden.se/quickfact/parental-leave/

cortesoft 8y ago

What about if non-working moms also got the paid leave? Basically get a wage for the first six months? We could cap it to only 2 or 3 times per person, to prevent someone just having a bunch of kids for money (although, as a parent, the idea that six months of salary would make having a kid financially beneficial is laughable)