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I'm a c9.io user so my account is still free, but the impression I get from the Amazon acquisition is that you have to run it on an EC2 instance now. That requi

by ukyrgf 8y ago

I'm a c9.io user so my account is still free, but the impression I get from the Amazon acquisition is that you have to run it on an EC2 instance now. That requires some form of setup, doesn't it? And AWS is jargon all the way down, so the entry level is a lot higher than it was before.

freehunter 8y ago
Cloud9 is better than other AWS products in that you can click through one wizard that sets up your EC2 instance and provisions the Cloud9 software on it at the same time. The AWS interface is still a byzantine nightmare of a labyrinth, but just getting into Cloud9 can be saved with a bookmark once it's set up, and setting it up is just one wizard. Agreed that it's a higher barrier of entry compared to how simple and slick the c9.io interface was.
- RhodesianHunter 8y ago
  > The AWS interface is still a byzantine nightmare of a labyrinth I've heard this enough times to know that it's widely agreed upon, but I've never understood it personally.
  - spurcell93 8y ago
    Given the absolutely massive and technical amount of features that aws requires, it's not surprising (or even worthy of condemnation) that the interface can get somewhat convoluted. That said, I wonder if there is a stripped down version of that interface that would better accommodate a hypothetical cohort of extremely common use cases. I would bet there isnt, which is why the interface is so.... Deep.
    - ianlevesque 8y ago
      Not exactly what you describe but Amazon does have Lightsail for this purpose. https://aws.amazon.com/lightsail/ https://aws.amazon.com/lightsail/
    - stephengillie 8y ago
      There's a way to pin sections to the nav bar. So you can pin EC2, IAM, RDS, and VPC up there if you mainly use those 4 services. It's a bit of a nightmare, as a support engineer, to get access requests for AWS services you've never heard of before. "Need access to AWS services: Cloud9, Memento, Athena, and Pandora Nexus." Each having a completely unique set of granular permissions to fumble over means most users get full permissions to the requested service until the auditors complain.
- stephengillie 8y ago
  Administrators beware - this auto-set up creates wide open security groups and other misconfigurations. Some of these will show up on your Trusted Advisor report.
k__ 8y ago
Yes, but the setup is a few clicks. I think the main selling point is that you run the IDE on an EC2 which runs the same OS as your production environment (even Lambda) which allows you to directly compile server code in the IDE and it just works on your server.
- colonelpopcorn 8y ago
  This sounds suspiciously like editing live PHP scripts in an FTP client.
  - k__ 8y ago
    No you have two machines. Cloud9 EC2 and server EC2 or Lambda
    - stephengillie 8y ago
      One of Amazon's innovations in the virtual server space is finding new and different ways to repackage their EC2 servers.

by ukyrgf 8y ago

freehunter 8y ago

Cloud9 is better than other AWS products in that you can click through one wizard that sets up your EC2 instance and provisions the Cloud9 software on it at the same time. The AWS interface is still a byzantine nightmare of a labyrinth, but just getting into Cloud9 can be saved with a bookmark once it's set up, and setting it up is just one wizard. Agreed that it's a higher barrier of entry compared to how simple and slick the c9.io interface was.

RhodesianHunter 8y ago
> The AWS interface is still a byzantine nightmare of a labyrinth I've heard this enough times to know that it's widely agreed upon, but I've never understood it personally.
- spurcell93 8y ago
  Given the absolutely massive and technical amount of features that aws requires, it's not surprising (or even worthy of condemnation) that the interface can get somewhat convoluted. That said, I wonder if there is a stripped down version of that interface that would better accommodate a hypothetical cohort of extremely common use cases. I would bet there isnt, which is why the interface is so.... Deep.
  - ianlevesque 8y ago
    Not exactly what you describe but Amazon does have Lightsail for this purpose. https://aws.amazon.com/lightsail/ https://aws.amazon.com/lightsail/
  - stephengillie 8y ago
    There's a way to pin sections to the nav bar. So you can pin EC2, IAM, RDS, and VPC up there if you mainly use those 4 services. It's a bit of a nightmare, as a support engineer, to get access requests for AWS services you've never heard of before. "Need access to AWS services: Cloud9, Memento, Athena, and Pandora Nexus." Each having a completely unique set of granular permissions to fumble over means most users get full permissions to the requested service until the auditors complain.
stephengillie 8y ago
Administrators beware - this auto-set up creates wide open security groups and other misconfigurations. Some of these will show up on your Trusted Advisor report.

k__ 8y ago

Yes, but the setup is a few clicks. I think the main selling point is that you run the IDE on an EC2 which runs the same OS as your production environment (even Lambda) which allows you to directly compile server code in the IDE and it just works on your server.

colonelpopcorn 8y ago
This sounds suspiciously like editing live PHP scripts in an FTP client.
- k__ 8y ago
  No you have two machines. Cloud9 EC2 and server EC2 or Lambda
  - stephengillie 8y ago
    One of Amazon's innovations in the virtual server space is finding new and different ways to repackage their EC2 servers.