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>our grandkids and their children will be able to benefit from having all that industry in the U.S. instead of China. When those products were made here, it le

>our grandkids and their children will be able to benefit from having all that industry in the U.S. instead of China. When those products were made here, it led to toxic chemical plumes and widespread soil contamination around the factories that produced semiconductors. [1] >I'm sorry to my grandkids who are now living in a barren wasteland. Trichloroethylene contamination produces heart defects, kidney and liver cancer. You are advocating to literally produce a toxic wasteland. [2] 1. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/lens/the-superfund-sites-of-silicon-valley.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/lens/the-superfund-sites-... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichloroethylene#Physiological_effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichloroethylene#Physiologica...

siddarthd2919 8y ago
So... your okay with Chinese kids with heart defects, kidney and liver cancer. The USA has more enforcement over these kind of things. If toxic pollution is your only concern, yes it is better to have those industries in USA.
- omegaworks 8y ago
  >So... your okay with Chinese kids with heart defects, kidney and liver cancer. Show me where I said that. Of course not. You seem to be ok with every country that hopes to participate in the technological economy having their own contaminated region. Step back for a second. Think of the earth like a single-unit closed system. Would we rather have 195 regions contaminated with TCE or one/two? Your petty nationalism would force those kids to stay in their country AND have them deal with the toxic waste of their protectionist government-subsidized industry because they'll have no other choice but to. You're also making the argument that somehow we'd have the political will to both institute tariffs that protect the industry AND police those industries when they harm our environment. Guess what buddy, those are contradictory ideals. The USA isn't some magical place where we can defy these incentives. Your assertion that we'd be better at managing waste here is especially fantastical considering the present EPA chairman. Scott Pruitt has undermined the protection of our environment at every opportunity. [1] 1. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/19/health/epa-toxic-chemicals.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/19/health/epa-toxic-chemical...
  - sheepmullet 8y ago
    > Show me where I said that Most Chinese people lack the freedom to live and work where they choose. Most Americans have that freedom. So if it is handled here in the US then not only will there be less pollution but far fewer kids would be impacted.
    - omegaworks 8y ago
      If you really cared about Chinese people you'd let them in when they asked to immigrate here. That's enough conflating the protection of toxic industry with humanitarian concern. Stop pretending. Learn your history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act
      - sheepmullet 8y ago
        > If you really cared about Chinese people you'd let them in when they asked to immigrate here. No I wouldn't. That makes no sense at all. You are the person who brought up kids dying. Either you care 10x more about American kids than Chinese kids or your original argument is garbage. I don't mind if you do care 10x more about American kids - it's a byproduct of our nationalist culture.
        omegaworks 8y ago
        Actually OP brought up leaving kids a better world then he inherited. The unnecessary, protectionist subsidization and expansion of toxic waste generating industries leaves ALL kids worse off.
      - abiox 8y ago
        > If you really cared about Chinese people you'd let them in when they asked to immigrate here. this seems to have an a lot packed in. it's not clear how advocating the departure of a minuscule amount of people from china is "helping chinese people" or otherwise demonstrating "care for chinese people". > Stop pretending. Learn your history. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act this seems to be getting really off the rails. this was repealed in the 40s. what's the relevance?

siddarthd2919 8y ago

So... your okay with Chinese kids with heart defects, kidney and liver cancer. The USA has more enforcement over these kind of things. If toxic pollution is your only concern, yes it is better to have those industries in USA.

omegaworks 8y ago
>So... your okay with Chinese kids with heart defects, kidney and liver cancer. Show me where I said that. Of course not. You seem to be ok with every country that hopes to participate in the technological economy having their own contaminated region. Step back for a second. Think of the earth like a single-unit closed system. Would we rather have 195 regions contaminated with TCE or one/two? Your petty nationalism would force those kids to stay in their country AND have them deal with the toxic waste of their protectionist government-subsidized industry because they'll have no other choice but to. You're also making the argument that somehow we'd have the political will to both institute tariffs that protect the industry AND police those industries when they harm our environment. Guess what buddy, those are contradictory ideals. The USA isn't some magical place where we can defy these incentives. Your assertion that we'd be better at managing waste here is especially fantastical considering the present EPA chairman. Scott Pruitt has undermined the protection of our environment at every opportunity. [1] 1. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/19/health/epa-toxic-chemicals.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/19/health/epa-toxic-chemical...
- sheepmullet 8y ago
  > Show me where I said that Most Chinese people lack the freedom to live and work where they choose. Most Americans have that freedom. So if it is handled here in the US then not only will there be less pollution but far fewer kids would be impacted.
  - omegaworks 8y ago
    If you really cared about Chinese people you'd let them in when they asked to immigrate here. That's enough conflating the protection of toxic industry with humanitarian concern. Stop pretending. Learn your history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act
    - sheepmullet 8y ago
      > If you really cared about Chinese people you'd let them in when they asked to immigrate here. No I wouldn't. That makes no sense at all. You are the person who brought up kids dying. Either you care 10x more about American kids than Chinese kids or your original argument is garbage. I don't mind if you do care 10x more about American kids - it's a byproduct of our nationalist culture.
      - omegaworks 8y ago
        Actually OP brought up leaving kids a better world then he inherited. The unnecessary, protectionist subsidization and expansion of toxic waste generating industries leaves ALL kids worse off.
    - abiox 8y ago
      > If you really cared about Chinese people you'd let them in when they asked to immigrate here. this seems to have an a lot packed in. it's not clear how advocating the departure of a minuscule amount of people from china is "helping chinese people" or otherwise demonstrating "care for chinese people". > Stop pretending. Learn your history. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act this seems to be getting really off the rails. this was repealed in the 40s. what's the relevance?