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> We are planning for an even better experience in the future: one where we can integrate and support more advanced features, such as a live environment to test

by pomber 8y ago

> We are planning for an even better experience in the future: one where we can integrate and support more advanced features, such as a live environment to test your code against This. Please. I'm playing with a similar concept for GitHub: https://twitter.com/pomber/status/1003416752146075648 https://twitter.com/pomber/status/1003416752146075648

tootie 8y ago
One day, I can toss out all my expensive hardware and do my job with a hi-res Chromebook and steady wifi.
- freehunter 8y ago
  Depending on your job, you might be able to. All of my webdev is done using remote servers, I go back and forth between Cloud9 and Vim+EC2. I don't even have any locally-installed dev tools, and with Vim I can use my phone or tablet in a pinch. That setup doesn't work for everything, but it's great for some use cases.
  - ezekg 8y ago
    Using Vim from a phone or tablet sounds like a nightmare, tbh. I can barely text without typos.
    - swiley 8y ago
      Vim is actually pretty usable on a phone, my problem with it is that phones just feel like toys and so I have a hard time with putting myself in the right mood to do anything useful
      - hestefisk 8y ago
        You could connect a Bluetooth keyboard to the phone and it would make a decent terminal emulator :)
- qop 8y ago
  That's really what I hope the future is. I'm shocked Google hasn't tripled their efforts to make the chromebook a code editor masterpiece. You'd think they'd have spearheaded it themselves. Now I'm keeping my eyes on Microsoft bringing arm64 hardware in the game. 20+hr battery life + wifi means I could just work wherever I want during the day and then go home at night and charge. Adventure coding, EVERY DAY! That'd be so awesome.
  - tootie 8y ago
    What would it take to run Electron apps on a Chromebook? Just gimme VS Code and I'm good to go.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      The OS is already juggling browser processes, no need to plague it with extra browser runtimes, that is what PWAs are for.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
        It would be a PWA; rather than running the web app on electron chromium, run on Chrome.
    - prattmic 8y ago
      Chrome OS is adding Linux container support, and it looks like VS Code works: https://kmyers.me/blog/chromeos/running-visual-studio-code-on-chromeos-via-project-crostini/ https://kmyers.me/blog/chromeos/running-visual-studio-code-o... Docs: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/master/containers_and_vms.md#quickstart https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/master/c...
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    I don't miss the days of time-sharing and X-Windows sessions using a dumb terminal. Everything old is new again, just with pretty colours.
- VLM 8y ago
  The future being unevenly distributed, I've been doing that for a long time privately, not publicly, via Apache Guacamole (with LDAP integration for configuring) as my front end to some virtual dev boxes. I've never run into the slightest issue between chromebook html5 browser and Apache Guacamole, which I suppose does not prove no problem could exist for anyone else. Its SSH is really a very nice terminal emulator, and of course there's rdesktop protocol and all that also. It helps to have an enormous vmware cluster holding the numerous servers such that I'm connecting to a machine that is too beastly powerful to ever consider in a laptop form factor... so my dev box has slightly higher latency but the CPU and memory are immense such that its not all that different than native, some things a little faster, some a little slower. The biggest problem I have is I can buy a chromebook with a decent screen for roughly the price of a decent windows laptop, but I can't buy a decent keyboard on a chromebook for any price. Model-M keyboard to USB to plug into the chromebook, I've never tried that? On the stereotypical hyper limited chromebook keyboard, emacs is ... difficult but possible, and android studio is OK, or at least as OK as java programming can be. Android studio emulator had some weirdness with it not being amused at attempting virtual machine hardware acceleration on a vmware image of a windows box; probably depends exactly which version of studio you install and when you installed it... Native chromebook VPN support is "ok" or at least somewhat usable. I don't have the infrastructure bare out on the internet for obvious reasons. An extremely beefy virtual dev box with 10 hour battery that weighs nothing using a state park as my office is pretty nice, when weather permits that kind of work. The only problem I've found is you can use a lot of mobile data very quickly this way, especially during a nice summer month. Also I can charge my tether phone off the chromebook but then the battery life seems much shorter; AC power is surprisingly not hard to find and picnic shelters are almost always empty during the week (full on weekends). Parks are also empty and quiet during the week. When it rains I'm stuck in the office, what a bummer. Do not be like me and hike out five miles to an observation tower right before a rainstorm begins, I was stuck under the tower for an entire day until it stopped raining.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
    > emacs is ... difficult but possible Have you tried remapping the search key to something else? > Android studio emulator had some weirdness with it not being amused at attempting virtual machine hardware acceleration on a vmware image of a windows box; probably depends exactly which version of studio you install and when you installed it... Did you expose the CPU virtualization extensions to the outer VM? VMWare has an option per-VM, but it's off by default.
- habosa 8y ago
  That's the 2018 version of "a magnetized needle and a steady hand" https://xkcd.com/378/ https://xkcd.com/378/
- tonyedgecombe 8y ago
  One day you might not have a choice because the desktop is so locked down.
  - foepys 8y ago
    Are you saying that Stallmann was right? People should stop digging themselves deeper into Apple's and Microsoft's ecosystems that are getting more and more locked down by the year.
- jodrellblank 8y ago
  One small day for man, one giant leap for losing the power of local computers to an inflexible proprietary limited web interface blank wall of profitability.
sytse 8y ago
We already have a prototype of client evaluation in the Web IDE https://youtu.be/UFvJkD8N-Zk https://youtu.be/UFvJkD8N-Zk code javascript without needing to run something locally or in a container.

by pomber 8y ago

tootie 8y ago

One day, I can toss out all my expensive hardware and do my job with a hi-res Chromebook and steady wifi.

freehunter 8y ago
Depending on your job, you might be able to. All of my webdev is done using remote servers, I go back and forth between Cloud9 and Vim+EC2. I don't even have any locally-installed dev tools, and with Vim I can use my phone or tablet in a pinch. That setup doesn't work for everything, but it's great for some use cases.
- ezekg 8y ago
  Using Vim from a phone or tablet sounds like a nightmare, tbh. I can barely text without typos.
  - swiley 8y ago
    Vim is actually pretty usable on a phone, my problem with it is that phones just feel like toys and so I have a hard time with putting myself in the right mood to do anything useful
    - hestefisk 8y ago
      You could connect a Bluetooth keyboard to the phone and it would make a decent terminal emulator :)
qop 8y ago
That's really what I hope the future is. I'm shocked Google hasn't tripled their efforts to make the chromebook a code editor masterpiece. You'd think they'd have spearheaded it themselves. Now I'm keeping my eyes on Microsoft bringing arm64 hardware in the game. 20+hr battery life + wifi means I could just work wherever I want during the day and then go home at night and charge. Adventure coding, EVERY DAY! That'd be so awesome.
- tootie 8y ago
  What would it take to run Electron apps on a Chromebook? Just gimme VS Code and I'm good to go.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    The OS is already juggling browser processes, no need to plague it with extra browser runtimes, that is what PWAs are for.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
      It would be a PWA; rather than running the web app on electron chromium, run on Chrome.
  - prattmic 8y ago
    Chrome OS is adding Linux container support, and it looks like VS Code works: https://kmyers.me/blog/chromeos/running-visual-studio-code-on-chromeos-via-project-crostini/ https://kmyers.me/blog/chromeos/running-visual-studio-code-o... Docs: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/master/containers_and_vms.md#quickstart https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/master/c...
- pjmlp 8y ago
  I don't miss the days of time-sharing and X-Windows sessions using a dumb terminal. Everything old is new again, just with pretty colours.
VLM 8y ago
The future being unevenly distributed, I've been doing that for a long time privately, not publicly, via Apache Guacamole (with LDAP integration for configuring) as my front end to some virtual dev boxes. I've never run into the slightest issue between chromebook html5 browser and Apache Guacamole, which I suppose does not prove no problem could exist for anyone else. Its SSH is really a very nice terminal emulator, and of course there's rdesktop protocol and all that also. It helps to have an enormous vmware cluster holding the numerous servers such that I'm connecting to a machine that is too beastly powerful to ever consider in a laptop form factor... so my dev box has slightly higher latency but the CPU and memory are immense such that its not all that different than native, some things a little faster, some a little slower. The biggest problem I have is I can buy a chromebook with a decent screen for roughly the price of a decent windows laptop, but I can't buy a decent keyboard on a chromebook for any price. Model-M keyboard to USB to plug into the chromebook, I've never tried that? On the stereotypical hyper limited chromebook keyboard, emacs is ... difficult but possible, and android studio is OK, or at least as OK as java programming can be. Android studio emulator had some weirdness with it not being amused at attempting virtual machine hardware acceleration on a vmware image of a windows box; probably depends exactly which version of studio you install and when you installed it... Native chromebook VPN support is "ok" or at least somewhat usable. I don't have the infrastructure bare out on the internet for obvious reasons. An extremely beefy virtual dev box with 10 hour battery that weighs nothing using a state park as my office is pretty nice, when weather permits that kind of work. The only problem I've found is you can use a lot of mobile data very quickly this way, especially during a nice summer month. Also I can charge my tether phone off the chromebook but then the battery life seems much shorter; AC power is surprisingly not hard to find and picnic shelters are almost always empty during the week (full on weekends). Parks are also empty and quiet during the week. When it rains I'm stuck in the office, what a bummer. Do not be like me and hike out five miles to an observation tower right before a rainstorm begins, I was stuck under the tower for an entire day until it stopped raining.
- yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
  > emacs is ... difficult but possible Have you tried remapping the search key to something else? > Android studio emulator had some weirdness with it not being amused at attempting virtual machine hardware acceleration on a vmware image of a windows box; probably depends exactly which version of studio you install and when you installed it... Did you expose the CPU virtualization extensions to the outer VM? VMWare has an option per-VM, but it's off by default.
habosa 8y ago
That's the 2018 version of "a magnetized needle and a steady hand" https://xkcd.com/378/ https://xkcd.com/378/
tonyedgecombe 8y ago
One day you might not have a choice because the desktop is so locked down.
- foepys 8y ago
  Are you saying that Stallmann was right? People should stop digging themselves deeper into Apple's and Microsoft's ecosystems that are getting more and more locked down by the year.
jodrellblank 8y ago
One small day for man, one giant leap for losing the power of local computers to an inflexible proprietary limited web interface blank wall of profitability.

sytse 8y ago

We already have a prototype of client evaluation in the Web IDE https://youtu.be/UFvJkD8N-Zk https://youtu.be/UFvJkD8N-Zk code javascript without needing to run something locally or in a container.