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But does it have Vim keybindings?

by dillonb 8y ago

tcfunk 8y ago
Asking the important questions.
- jay-anderson 8y ago
  While it may not have been a serious question, vim key bindings (or emacs or whatever) are important to many people. You spend so much of your time in your editor/ide and become expert in it. Learning to work in another one is painful before you're properly productive again.
  - hessart 8y ago
    Seriously, how hard can it be? It's not like it's a completely new form of interaction. Vim and emacs are the ones that are exceptions in regard to UX.
    - adtac 8y ago
      I use qutebrowser (has vim-bindings), sway wm (I've customised it to have vim-bindings), zsh (with vim-bindings), weechat (with vim-bindings), mutt (still getting started with mutt, but it has vim-bindings too), and vim itself. These are pretty much the only pieces of software I interact with, so you can imagine how central vi/vim-bindings are in my life.
    - sirclueless 8y ago
      The basics are easy. A rudimentary normal mode with HJKL for movement is not hard. Block-select, sensible paragraph hops, copy/paste registers, repeatable macros, etc. is much harder to get right, and rough corners there can be a deal-breaker. Vim is a lot more than moving a cursor with your right hand.
voxadam 8y ago
What we need is a web deliverable (i.e. not a "web technology based" Electron desktop app) Neovim frontend. Something like a Wasm & WebGL based UI layer connected via msgpack to the editor core that's running in a sandbox on GitLab's infrastructure. I'm truly sorry if the above drivel is either impossible or insane; as an embedded guy this is most definitely way outside my wheelhouse. I should get back to repairing my oscilloscope.
- pitaj 8y ago
  Network latency would hurt. Maybe you could compile neovim backend to wasm instead and run it sandwiches in the browser as well.
- craftyguy 8y ago
  Why do we "need" this? It sounds overly complex and error-prone.
  - kylestlb 8y ago
    Just read the last part of their post, and you will understand.
- bufferoverflow 8y ago
  http://coolwanglu.github.io/vim.js/streamlinejs/vim.html http://coolwanglu.github.io/vim.js/streamlinejs/vim.html
- andrewmcwatters 8y ago
  If it's informative and empowers your thinking: WebGL is more or less just a set of standardized (JavaScript) bindings to OpenGL ES... which is actually ran as DirectX I'm sure in some places... Everything required to draw high-performance hardware accelerated text already exists in most browsers before even getting to these bindings, which would furthermore require accessing a redundant glyph renderer. That is to say, WebGL wouldn't provide you much gain. Though, I'm sure some very amusing post-processing could then be done to your code. Perhaps the future of programming is in the web with lens flare.
anfogoat 8y ago
Serious or not, here's hoping it will once the feature is out of its infancy. Tangentially, Ace[0] appears to be the only editor outside Vim proper that has managed to implement a half decent Vim mode. It's the only such editor I've come across where visual block editing doesn't end in fits of rage. [0]: https://ace.c9.io/ https://ace.c9.io/
jobvandervoort 8y ago
Not yet, but I think it makes sense to support VIM keybindings in the long term. Issue: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/47930 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/47930

But does it have Vim keybindings?

tcfunk 8y ago

Asking the important questions.

jay-anderson 8y ago
While it may not have been a serious question, vim key bindings (or emacs or whatever) are important to many people. You spend so much of your time in your editor/ide and become expert in it. Learning to work in another one is painful before you're properly productive again.
- hessart 8y ago
  Seriously, how hard can it be? It's not like it's a completely new form of interaction. Vim and emacs are the ones that are exceptions in regard to UX.
  - adtac 8y ago
    I use qutebrowser (has vim-bindings), sway wm (I've customised it to have vim-bindings), zsh (with vim-bindings), weechat (with vim-bindings), mutt (still getting started with mutt, but it has vim-bindings too), and vim itself. These are pretty much the only pieces of software I interact with, so you can imagine how central vi/vim-bindings are in my life.
  - sirclueless 8y ago
    The basics are easy. A rudimentary normal mode with HJKL for movement is not hard. Block-select, sensible paragraph hops, copy/paste registers, repeatable macros, etc. is much harder to get right, and rough corners there can be a deal-breaker. Vim is a lot more than moving a cursor with your right hand.

voxadam 8y ago

What we need is a web deliverable (i.e. not a "web technology based" Electron desktop app) Neovim frontend. Something like a Wasm & WebGL based UI layer connected via msgpack to the editor core that's running in a sandbox on GitLab's infrastructure. I'm truly sorry if the above drivel is either impossible or insane; as an embedded guy this is most definitely way outside my wheelhouse. I should get back to repairing my oscilloscope.

pitaj 8y ago
Network latency would hurt. Maybe you could compile neovim backend to wasm instead and run it sandwiches in the browser as well.
craftyguy 8y ago
Why do we "need" this? It sounds overly complex and error-prone.
- kylestlb 8y ago
  Just read the last part of their post, and you will understand.
bufferoverflow 8y ago
http://coolwanglu.github.io/vim.js/streamlinejs/vim.html http://coolwanglu.github.io/vim.js/streamlinejs/vim.html
andrewmcwatters 8y ago
If it's informative and empowers your thinking: WebGL is more or less just a set of standardized (JavaScript) bindings to OpenGL ES... which is actually ran as DirectX I'm sure in some places... Everything required to draw high-performance hardware accelerated text already exists in most browsers before even getting to these bindings, which would furthermore require accessing a redundant glyph renderer. That is to say, WebGL wouldn't provide you much gain. Though, I'm sure some very amusing post-processing could then be done to your code. Perhaps the future of programming is in the web with lens flare.

anfogoat 8y ago

Serious or not, here's hoping it will once the feature is out of its infancy. Tangentially, Ace[0] appears to be the only editor outside Vim proper that has managed to implement a half decent Vim mode. It's the only such editor I've come across where visual block editing doesn't end in fits of rage. [0]: https://ace.c9.io/ https://ace.c9.io/

jobvandervoort 8y ago

Not yet, but I think it makes sense to support VIM keybindings in the long term. Issue: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/47930 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/47930