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Or Charlotte. Or RTP. Or Austin. Or Phoenix. Or Chattanooga. Or all the other various wonderful places to have satisfying lives and careers and not pay astronom

by jimmy1 8y ago

Or Charlotte. Or RTP. Or Austin. Or Phoenix. Or Chattanooga. Or all the other various wonderful places to have satisfying lives and careers and not pay astronomical rent. Seriously getting sick of hearing about the renting woes. Give them the middle finger and move. It's not worth it.

anothergoogler 8y ago
Availability and pay of tech jobs is a sore spot for Charlotte and Chattanooga. I'd enjoy living in either (especially for the high quality internet service in Chattanooga), but employers have major leverage in these places. I don't consider full-time remote employment an acceptable alternative.
- jimmy1 8y ago
  > Availability and pay of tech jobs is a sore spot for Charlotte and Chattanooga ? I live in Charlotte, and there is no shortage of 90-135k$ salaried jobs with full benefits, especially if you code in C# or Java. That salary range is _more_ than enough for the house of your dreams, and the ability to be the sole provider for your family if you wish, (however being a DINK is pretty fun, too). For comparison, I have heard 90k in Charlotte is like 135k in NYC and 150k in the bay area.
  - anothergoogler 8y ago
    A quick Stackoverflow job search shows seven postings in the past month. Two of them are what I would consider regular software engineering jobs. That's horrific to somebody who's worked in a healthy job market where, after a layoff, you can land another good job in a matter of days. Also there's the matter of career fulfillment. In Charlotte, you can either work for a startup for 60-90k or a soul-grinding finance job (or similar) if you want more. There aren't many of the former positions either. RTP is a much better proposition in that part of the country. Similar cost of living and a real software industry.
    - panzagl 8y ago
      So I know people who work as devs at banks- they live in big houses, work reasonable hours, have families and kids and hobbies like restoring cars or fishing. How is that more soul-grinding than working 10 hour days at some SV unicorn for imaginary equity with an hour commute to a one bedroom apartment?
      - liveoneggs 8y ago
        it must be fun to hang out with your roomate in your 40's
- liveoneggs 8y ago
  google has (two or three?) atlanta offices (going by your username)
jimbofisher1 8y ago
Bbbuut the ecosystem of the Bay Area and my Stock Options.... /s
- anothergoogler 8y ago
  And you dismiss those things because...?
  - jimbofisher1 8y ago
    Because there is more to life than income and being surrounded by sweaty nerds?
    - hello_newman 8y ago
      fair enough, but if that's something you believe, you're on the wrong website.
      - jimbofisher1 8y ago
        Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not. I definitely see HNs pro-at all costs-SV bias but I think it's a website dedicated to tech news and not income maximization? Oh and I can't smell any of y'all so that isn't really an issue.
      - stephenhuey 8y ago
        I've been on here for many years and a lot of the most interesting insights I've gleaned have come from people who do not prioritize income above other things in life, plus a lot of the really interesting people on here are not sweaty nerds.
      - Nuzzerino 8y ago
        Erm, there is plenty of content here that doesn't imply endorsing the false paradise narrative of San Francisco.
      - 18pfsmt 8y ago
aphextron 8y ago
>Or Charlotte. Or RTP. Or Austin. Or Phoenix. Or Chattanooga All of which are wonderful places for a centrist/libertarian/conservative white person to live. I dream all the time of having that luxury. Maybe things will go back to normal some day. But the political climate in this country has made practically any red state unlivable for someone like me.
- jimmy1 8y ago
  Maybe it's not such a bad time to turn into a centrist considering the liberal meccas seem to be the places where people are struggling the most: http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/384536-the-great-exodus-out-of-americas-blue-cities http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/384536-the-great-exodus-o... Or, if you really want to influence change and impact the country, staying in a dark blue state and living within an ideological bubble isn't going to change anything. Charlotte has seen a great migration from blue-collar democrats from the Ohio/PA/NY areas, and I believe PHX is seeing the same from Chicago and surrounding areas. For me personally, virtue signaling do-gooders with billions of dollars that just happen to live in a city with a crippling homeless problem doesn't sound attractive to me.
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  - aphextron 8y ago
    >Or, if you really want to influence change and impact the country, staying in a dark blue state and living within an ideological bubble isn't going to change anything. I really don't want to influence or impact anything. I just want to live a happy life where I don't fear getting murdered at a traffic stop for the color of my skin.
    - jimmy1 8y ago
      Contrary to popular opinion, there are many more people of color being murdered at a traffic stop in blue states than red states, so not sure what you are trying to poke at here. Maybe the KLS shooting? That was the only incident in my entire time living here I can think of. The fact that that was done by an officer of color doesn't seem to dawn on anyone, or that maybe it was actually justified, but anyways, I think you have your mindset made up and there's no point in trying to argue against the narrative. I just want to tell you, being someone not white myself and lived in red states most of my life. You face the occasional ignorant comment ("go back to where you came from, foreigner!") it's nothing compared to the crime that occurs daily in NYC, Chicago, or the Bay Area, so I think your chances are better down here.
e40 8y ago
Or Charlotte That's getting to be a joke. My dad lives in a suburb (about 20 miles away) and it is so built up with new housing there are constant traffic jams everywhere. They have improved some of the roads (they are constantly working on them), but the number of new houses going in far outstrips the capacity of the roads. What used to be drives of a few minutes now, during the day, are often 30 minutes to an hour. None of the local cities are willing to deal with the issue, so it's just going to get worse and worse.

by jimmy1 8y ago

anothergoogler 8y ago

Availability and pay of tech jobs is a sore spot for Charlotte and Chattanooga. I'd enjoy living in either (especially for the high quality internet service in Chattanooga), but employers have major leverage in these places. I don't consider full-time remote employment an acceptable alternative.

jimmy1 8y ago
> Availability and pay of tech jobs is a sore spot for Charlotte and Chattanooga ? I live in Charlotte, and there is no shortage of 90-135k$ salaried jobs with full benefits, especially if you code in C# or Java. That salary range is _more_ than enough for the house of your dreams, and the ability to be the sole provider for your family if you wish, (however being a DINK is pretty fun, too). For comparison, I have heard 90k in Charlotte is like 135k in NYC and 150k in the bay area.
- anothergoogler 8y ago
  A quick Stackoverflow job search shows seven postings in the past month. Two of them are what I would consider regular software engineering jobs. That's horrific to somebody who's worked in a healthy job market where, after a layoff, you can land another good job in a matter of days. Also there's the matter of career fulfillment. In Charlotte, you can either work for a startup for 60-90k or a soul-grinding finance job (or similar) if you want more. There aren't many of the former positions either. RTP is a much better proposition in that part of the country. Similar cost of living and a real software industry.
  - panzagl 8y ago
    So I know people who work as devs at banks- they live in big houses, work reasonable hours, have families and kids and hobbies like restoring cars or fishing. How is that more soul-grinding than working 10 hour days at some SV unicorn for imaginary equity with an hour commute to a one bedroom apartment?
    - liveoneggs 8y ago
      it must be fun to hang out with your roomate in your 40's
liveoneggs 8y ago
google has (two or three?) atlanta offices (going by your username)

jimbofisher1 8y ago

Bbbuut the ecosystem of the Bay Area and my Stock Options.... /s

anothergoogler 8y ago
And you dismiss those things because...?
- jimbofisher1 8y ago
  Because there is more to life than income and being surrounded by sweaty nerds?
  - hello_newman 8y ago
    fair enough, but if that's something you believe, you're on the wrong website.
    - jimbofisher1 8y ago
      Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not. I definitely see HNs pro-at all costs-SV bias but I think it's a website dedicated to tech news and not income maximization? Oh and I can't smell any of y'all so that isn't really an issue.
    - stephenhuey 8y ago
      I've been on here for many years and a lot of the most interesting insights I've gleaned have come from people who do not prioritize income above other things in life, plus a lot of the really interesting people on here are not sweaty nerds.
    - Nuzzerino 8y ago
      Erm, there is plenty of content here that doesn't imply endorsing the false paradise narrative of San Francisco.
    - 18pfsmt 8y ago

aphextron 8y ago

>Or Charlotte. Or RTP. Or Austin. Or Phoenix. Or Chattanooga All of which are wonderful places for a centrist/libertarian/conservative white person to live. I dream all the time of having that luxury. Maybe things will go back to normal some day. But the political climate in this country has made practically any red state unlivable for someone like me.

jimmy1 8y ago
Maybe it's not such a bad time to turn into a centrist considering the liberal meccas seem to be the places where people are struggling the most: http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/384536-the-great-exodus-out-of-americas-blue-cities http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/384536-the-great-exodus-o... Or, if you really want to influence change and impact the country, staying in a dark blue state and living within an ideological bubble isn't going to change anything. Charlotte has seen a great migration from blue-collar democrats from the Ohio/PA/NY areas, and I believe PHX is seeing the same from Chicago and surrounding areas. For me personally, virtue signaling do-gooders with billions of dollars that just happen to live in a city with a crippling homeless problem doesn't sound attractive to me.
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- aphextron 8y ago
  >Or, if you really want to influence change and impact the country, staying in a dark blue state and living within an ideological bubble isn't going to change anything. I really don't want to influence or impact anything. I just want to live a happy life where I don't fear getting murdered at a traffic stop for the color of my skin.
  - jimmy1 8y ago
    Contrary to popular opinion, there are many more people of color being murdered at a traffic stop in blue states than red states, so not sure what you are trying to poke at here. Maybe the KLS shooting? That was the only incident in my entire time living here I can think of. The fact that that was done by an officer of color doesn't seem to dawn on anyone, or that maybe it was actually justified, but anyways, I think you have your mindset made up and there's no point in trying to argue against the narrative. I just want to tell you, being someone not white myself and lived in red states most of my life. You face the occasional ignorant comment ("go back to where you came from, foreigner!") it's nothing compared to the crime that occurs daily in NYC, Chicago, or the Bay Area, so I think your chances are better down here.

e40 8y ago

Or Charlotte That's getting to be a joke. My dad lives in a suburb (about 20 miles away) and it is so built up with new housing there are constant traffic jams everywhere. They have improved some of the roads (they are constantly working on them), but the number of new houses going in far outstrips the capacity of the roads. What used to be drives of a few minutes now, during the day, are often 30 minutes to an hour. None of the local cities are willing to deal with the issue, so it's just going to get worse and worse.