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Because not all jobs are that valuable. This is essentially replacing welfare by minimum wage, and why should welfare be administered non-progressively through

Because not all jobs are that valuable. This is essentially replacing welfare by minimum wage, and why should welfare be administered non-progressively through employers instead of the government tax and redistribution? Should it be illegal do do low positive value work?

gascan 8y ago
Because not all jobs are that valuable. No argument. But you seem to be making a value inference that low-value jobs aren't good enough to merit the worker a 2br place without two incomes. Why not? What level-sets what you "should" be able to get, for your low-value work?
- pofilat 8y ago
  The market sets the value, obviously. Social welfare is great -- Medicaid, Unemployment, SNAP, WIC, etc, but shouldn't be paid directly by employers to recipients. Why should an unemployed person getting a low-value job suddenly shift all their welfare support burden from the state to their employer?
- TheLoneAdmin 8y ago
  Conversely, you are arguing that a minimum wage worker should be able to rent a mid-range (40%) 2-bedroom apartment. Who is suppose to rent the cheaper 10-20% apartments? Why do you think the lowest 4% in wages of USA population deserve an average apartment? Minimum skilled worker = minimum wage salary = minimum quality apartment.
  - gascan 8y ago
    That's a good consideration, but you're forgetting about the part-timers & the unemployed. I'm not arguing that minimum wage should merit a 2br. I'm just challenging the notion that it shouldn't. There seems to be a sort of, "if you don't work hard and make lots of money, you don't deserve good things", built into that notion. When really, there's not exactly an intrinsic reason why a 2br is too good for a minimum wage worker. If it's a tight city with high demand and not enough housing, sure, competition for scarce 2br is intense. But if there is plenty of space & housing, why not? SF is a microcosm, most of the country is not like that.
- antisthenes 8y ago
  > Why not? What level-sets what you "should" be able to get, for your low-value work? not_sure_if_serious.jpg Figure out your housing budget, go on craigslist or another roommates website, and see what's available in that range. If there are 10,000 people who want a 2-br apartment at $500/month, but only 1000 apartments, where will the other 9000 go? Let's say we'll even construct the apartments for them, but that will take time. Where will they live during construction?

gascan 8y ago

Because not all jobs are that valuable. No argument. But you seem to be making a value inference that low-value jobs aren't good enough to merit the worker a 2br place without two incomes. Why not? What level-sets what you "should" be able to get, for your low-value work?

pofilat 8y ago
The market sets the value, obviously. Social welfare is great -- Medicaid, Unemployment, SNAP, WIC, etc, but shouldn't be paid directly by employers to recipients. Why should an unemployed person getting a low-value job suddenly shift all their welfare support burden from the state to their employer?
TheLoneAdmin 8y ago
Conversely, you are arguing that a minimum wage worker should be able to rent a mid-range (40%) 2-bedroom apartment. Who is suppose to rent the cheaper 10-20% apartments? Why do you think the lowest 4% in wages of USA population deserve an average apartment? Minimum skilled worker = minimum wage salary = minimum quality apartment.
- gascan 8y ago
  That's a good consideration, but you're forgetting about the part-timers & the unemployed. I'm not arguing that minimum wage should merit a 2br. I'm just challenging the notion that it shouldn't. There seems to be a sort of, "if you don't work hard and make lots of money, you don't deserve good things", built into that notion. When really, there's not exactly an intrinsic reason why a 2br is too good for a minimum wage worker. If it's a tight city with high demand and not enough housing, sure, competition for scarce 2br is intense. But if there is plenty of space & housing, why not? SF is a microcosm, most of the country is not like that.
antisthenes 8y ago
> Why not? What level-sets what you "should" be able to get, for your low-value work? not_sure_if_serious.jpg Figure out your housing budget, go on craigslist or another roommates website, and see what's available in that range. If there are 10,000 people who want a 2-br apartment at $500/month, but only 1000 apartments, where will the other 9000 go? Let's say we'll even construct the apartments for them, but that will take time. Where will they live during construction?