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Here is the list https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/enforcement/301Investigations/List%201.pdf https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/enforcement/301Investig...

by delbel 8y ago

Here is the list https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/enforcement/301Investigations/List%201.pdf https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/enforcement/301Investig... Tractors, fork lifts, agricultural equipment Lathes Milling Machines LED's Lithium batteries Touch screen Not a lot of electrical "tech" goods besides these three above, maybe PCB and GPS equipment. About the tractors, milling machines, and lathe. I like this, because the new products that are available ... are chinese crap. But they are so cheaply made, and impossible to fix. Every small farmer knows you want an old one, and rebuilt. They built the Massey Ferguson 35 , which came out I think in 1955, made up until 2002 a great small 44hp tractor. You want a new small tractor, it'll come from India or China and it'll break down fast with electrical issues. Maybe not a Japanese one, however. I was asking my mechanic why we don't just start building the old ones here, they said they just can't compete. It would be great if we started making them here again. The same goes for Lathe and Milling machine, if you want a good one, you need to find "old iron" and rebuild it (if it needs it). It doesn't appear that CNC parts are on this list, so you can still buy cheap chinese CNC parts to upgrade it. The other stuff on the list, coincidentally, I am very interested in. Basically I am getting into hemp products and wanted to, at a hobbist level, build some of these machines for personal use. Now I want to investigate if there is a market for american made agricultural machines for hemp. I don't see a lot of "tech" on this list, might be overblown. These are things we need to make here, make them right, and of high quality.

kingosticks 8y ago
That list is full of electronic components towards the end. I hear transistors are in quite a lot of things these days.
megaman22 8y ago
Even with the US-manufactured heavy equipment, it's a little bit of a poison pill to buy anything new. It's excessively digital, which is a big problem when you are out in the shit and break down, besides being less reliable in general. Older equipment is overwhelmingly hydraulic and relatively simple, and there's a strong market of aftermarket parts because this stuff has been around a long time and is virtually indestructible if maintained. Equipment from the 80s or 90s, and even earlier, is holding its value very well because of this. Not unlike the situation we see with previous generation MacBook Pros.
luma 8y ago
Did you not read the list, or are you unfamiliar with electronic components? Every single component commonly found in consumer electronics is covered in that document. That includes the individual components (passives, actives, everything), the circuit boards, the wires, the power supplies, the connectors, displays, switches, fuses, sensors... everything.
- delbel 8y ago
  that stuff is not on the list. I re-read it three times. Can you point out the cut and paste? PCB, cases, and LED for displays and touch screens,yes I did see. I guess next time you go to harbor frieght for a $900,000 industrial PCB it'll be 25% more. Better use the 20% off coupon
  - delbel 8y ago
    the stuff isn't on the list. downvote this doesn't put it on there.
    - detaro 8y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17320653 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17320653 already made a list of a bunch of interesting ones. It might not literally cover "everything", but it's a lot of common parts.
      - delbel 8y ago
        I was hoping for a list like this, but again it isn't specific to what he said. Reason is, I wanted to do an emergency last minute order on Aliexpress if it was. I was sincerely worried that it was true. But the reaction is totally overblown. That and I already have a large inventory of touch screen displays, and LEDs -- the only things that were on the list. So I am not worried.
        luma 8y ago
        It is specific to what I said, and the link goes to my post.
bo1024 8y ago
> You want a new small tractor, it'll come from India or China and it'll break down fast with electrical issues. [...] These are things we need to make here, make them right, and of high quality. I'm definitely in agreement with this perspective and goal, but I don't know if I agree about the right way to accomplish it. In the end the problem is customers systematically choosing cheap junk over quality built to last. Trying to raise prices on junk seems like a very roundabout, heavy-handed, paternal government approach...not that I have a better solution.

by delbel 8y ago

kingosticks 8y ago

That list is full of electronic components towards the end. I hear transistors are in quite a lot of things these days.

megaman22 8y ago

Even with the US-manufactured heavy equipment, it's a little bit of a poison pill to buy anything new. It's excessively digital, which is a big problem when you are out in the shit and break down, besides being less reliable in general. Older equipment is overwhelmingly hydraulic and relatively simple, and there's a strong market of aftermarket parts because this stuff has been around a long time and is virtually indestructible if maintained. Equipment from the 80s or 90s, and even earlier, is holding its value very well because of this. Not unlike the situation we see with previous generation MacBook Pros.

luma 8y ago

Did you not read the list, or are you unfamiliar with electronic components? Every single component commonly found in consumer electronics is covered in that document. That includes the individual components (passives, actives, everything), the circuit boards, the wires, the power supplies, the connectors, displays, switches, fuses, sensors... everything.

delbel 8y ago
that stuff is not on the list. I re-read it three times. Can you point out the cut and paste? PCB, cases, and LED for displays and touch screens,yes I did see. I guess next time you go to harbor frieght for a $900,000 industrial PCB it'll be 25% more. Better use the 20% off coupon
- delbel 8y ago
  the stuff isn't on the list. downvote this doesn't put it on there.
  - detaro 8y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17320653 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17320653 already made a list of a bunch of interesting ones. It might not literally cover "everything", but it's a lot of common parts.
    - delbel 8y ago
      I was hoping for a list like this, but again it isn't specific to what he said. Reason is, I wanted to do an emergency last minute order on Aliexpress if it was. I was sincerely worried that it was true. But the reaction is totally overblown. That and I already have a large inventory of touch screen displays, and LEDs -- the only things that were on the list. So I am not worried.
      - luma 8y ago
        It is specific to what I said, and the link goes to my post.

bo1024 8y ago

> You want a new small tractor, it'll come from India or China and it'll break down fast with electrical issues. [...] These are things we need to make here, make them right, and of high quality. I'm definitely in agreement with this perspective and goal, but I don't know if I agree about the right way to accomplish it. In the end the problem is customers systematically choosing cheap junk over quality built to last. Trying to raise prices on junk seems like a very roundabout, heavy-handed, paternal government approach...not that I have a better solution.